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Re: Mercedes delays EV release [Re: KrisZ] #5295978 12/16/19 01:24 PM
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Lol, Tesla. I cant wait for them to finally go out of business or be bought out by someone who can run a company.


Yes I know what you mean brother. I would prefer a Japanese company take over because they are known to be ethically superior run companies. My second pick would be Koreans.

Can't root for a success of an American company, no sir!


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Re: Mercedes delays EV release [Re: KevD47] #5295992 12/16/19 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by KevD47
Netherlands gas = $6.96/gal avg. as of 12/9 and is 2x New Jersey in size making range less of an issue (I won’t ignore all the countries of Europe to be included in size, to be fair, but mass transit/trains allow long trips different decisions for transportation than the US)

So yes, gas and range make for a different business case. Short trips make the weather issue moot.


+ Netherlands have very high taxes on diesel and gas cars vs ev cars.

Re: Mercedes delays EV release [Re: BMWTurboDzl] #5296015 12/16/19 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by BMWTurboDzl



Is Tesla profitable?..... NO.

Has Tesla been able to string together two or more profitable quarters?...Yes. Once and that happened this year.

Are they growing? Yes. Are competitors not growing? No. They're growing as well just not as fast on a per percentage basis because their volumes are either so high or their product is priced higher.




Good point. Would Tesla be anywhere near the success they are today without the carbon scheme, future-fetishing consumers, a monopolized market, politically-motivated legislated attacks on hydrocarbon energy and subsidies from every side? Surely they're not going broke on interior/exterior design or materials quality

Re: Mercedes delays EV release [Re: pschnahc] #5296059 12/16/19 02:50 PM
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Is Tesla profitable?..... NO.

Has Tesla been able to string together two or more profitable quarters?...Yes. Once and that happened this year.

Are they growing? Yes. Are competitors not growing? No. They're growing as well just not as fast on a per percentage basis because their volumes are either so high or their product is priced higher.




Good point. Would Tesla be anywhere near the success they are today without the carbon scheme, future-fetishing consumers, a monopolized market, politically-motivated legislated attacks on hydrocarbon energy and subsidies from every side? Surely they're not going broke on interior/exterior design or materials quality




Does any car company truly stand on their own without loans, grants, subsidies, and bailouts?

NOPE.

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Re: Mercedes delays EV release [Re: JeffKeryk] #5296061 12/16/19 02:51 PM
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Is Tesla profitable?

https://www.cnbc.com/quotes/?symbol=TSLA&qsearchterm=tsla


A P/E ratio of -79.03. That’s all you need to know.


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Re: Mercedes delays EV release [Re: JeffKeryk] #5296067 12/16/19 02:54 PM
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Now this is a example of a profitable company.

https://www.cnbc.com/quotes/?symbol=AAPL&qsearchterm=aa


P/E ratio is 23.60.


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Re: Mercedes delays EV release [Re: JeffKeryk] #5296073 12/16/19 03:01 PM
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If Apple made a car Id probably buy it - but they dont.

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Re: Mercedes delays EV release [Re: UncleDave] #5296161 12/16/19 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by UncleDave
If Apple made a car Id probably buy it - but they dont.

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In 2017 Apple bought every Lexus RX450h at Stevens Creek Lexus to use for their self driving vehicle development.
Drove up the price locally, as SC is a huge dealer. I hate that dealership.


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Originally Posted by UncleDave

Does any car company truly stand on their own without loans, grants, subsidies, and bailouts?

NOPE.

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Since inception though? Tesla Motors was born on crutches. Most others got high on the hog and fell from grace, but at least they were profitable at some point.

Re: Mercedes delays EV release [Re: JeffKeryk] #5296165 12/16/19 05:03 PM
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TSLA is at $380 today...

It's called growth mode people... Opening Gigafactories ain't cheap.
Charging infrastructure... Who else has one?
New vehicles...

Not sure who the business people here are.
Perhaps you remember 15 to 20 years ago when Apple was supposed to be belly up within a short time?

All good.

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Re: Mercedes delays EV release [Re: JeffKeryk] #5296250 12/16/19 06:23 PM
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I remember another Apple parallel in history. They’re only in existence because of a totally new development in the iPod and ultimately the iPhone. They were all but dead in the computer industry due to closed infrastructure and OS vs PC/DOS. Maybe Tesla is banking on an iPhone development 25 years from now. Should Tesla keep their infrastructure closed for the Supercharger and other infrastructure that enables expansion of their available market?

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Re: Mercedes delays EV release [Re: JeffKeryk] #5296266 12/16/19 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by JeffKeryk
TSLA is at $380 today...

It's called growth mode people... Opening Gigafactories ain't cheap.
Charging infrastructure... Who else has one?
New vehicles...

Not sure who the business people here are.
Perhaps you remember 15 to 20 years ago when Apple was supposed to be belly up within a short time?

All good.


Yeah, Microsoft bailed them out. Partly out of anti-trust concerns.

Lots of huge companies eventually implode. Montgomery Ward, Wang Compaq, Kodak, Polaroid, Enron, Worldcom, Arthur Andersen, Lehman Brothers, Theranos, Thomas Cook, Pan Am, Toys R Us, etc.

We are probably going to start watching Uber, Wework eventually implode but maybe they'll be able to pull out at some point. Remember how Groupon and Boston Market was a hot stock at one point? Still around but not what they used to be.

I think at some point Tesla will plateau just like Microsoft did and either the stock will crater when it's mature or nothing much will happen for several years.

And oh yeah stock market at a new high again. Happy days are here again....

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Originally Posted by KevD47
Should Tesla keep their infrastructure closed for the Supercharger and other infrastructure that enables expansion of their available market?

As you may know, Tesla vehicles are very software based. Must has made much of that software open source and promises to release more.
He has also offered manufactures use of the Tesla Superchargers, but they would have to share in the cost to build and operate them.


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Re: Mercedes delays EV release [Re: JeffKeryk] #5296306 12/16/19 07:16 PM
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Infrastructure includes a mechanical piece, connectors, speed, and such, parallel to phone charging stations in airports. The olive branch and relations with competitors are key here to collectively make us more comfortable with range and other concerns of emergency situations. I fill my car in 3-4 minutes with gas, don’t give me an excuse to not buy because I can’t take my family on vacation to the beach without stopping at least twice for an hour or more. I couldn’t care less how much it saves me in gas when common practical issues are apparent. I’m not an early adopter, either, to be fair.


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There also tend to be trendy things, the Yugo and Hyundai Excel were pretty popular when they first came out and then sales plunged. Prius was also pretty popular when it first came out, but then sales have plateau and I think have been dropping lately.

Although I like luxury cars, one reason I'm not interested in a Tesla is that it's not considered a DIY friendly car.

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