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2016 Titan XD Cummins, Schaeffers 9000 5W-40 #5292100 12/12/19 06:09 AM
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This is the first oil sample I have ever run for this truck and I'm not sure what to make of it. Blackstone says the copper is a little high but that it can be wear metals from being young. While just shy is of 30k miles is young, I would think most wear metals would gone by those miles. I do believe the other wear metals looked good though. I posted this result on a titan group and some other members posted their results as a comparison. No one else had copper levels as high as mine, they were in the 5-7 range. Also, an amsoil rep (they always chime in) pointed out that my viscosity was pretty low at @100°C. The schaeffer website shows it should be 13.50 - 15.00, mine was 13.06. Is this something to worry about with this oil? This was the first run of schaeffers in this engine and this interval covered the summer months in AZ (well over 100 everyday) along with about 2k miles of heavy towing.
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Re: 2016 Titan XD Cummins, Schaeffers 9000 5W-40 [Re: 06_lx] #5292234 12/12/19 09:02 AM
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Nice 1st post for joining over 10 years ago! I have a soft spot for these XD Diesels. I wasn't impressed with the overall specs when released but after spending some time behind the wheel, loved the overall package.

Did you put Schaeffers back in? I don't know much about these but I'm guessing the Copper will trend down.


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Re: 2016 Titan XD Cummins, Schaeffers 9000 5W-40 [Re: 06_lx] #5292391 12/12/19 12:04 PM
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I don't have any data on these, so my comments are only supposition.

Typically Cu is very reactive (sensitive) to certain additives in some oils; that may simply be a chelation issue for the Cu that should calm over time.

The Fe apparently runs high for this engine series; even the UA is up there around 7ppm/1k miles.

What triggers the OCI? Is there an IOLM, or just a set value?

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The act of preventative maintenance, in and of itself, is FAR MORE important than brand/grade/base choices among lubes and filters.
- under maintaining something is akin to abuse/neglect; that can kill equipment by shortening the lifespan
- over maintaining something has never been proven to be anything but a waste of time and money
Re: 2016 Titan XD Cummins, Schaeffers 9000 5W-40 [Re: panthermike] #5292405 12/12/19 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by panthermike
Nice 1st post for joining over 10 years ago! I have a soft spot for these XD Diesels. I wasn't impressed with the overall specs when released but after spending some time behind the wheel, loved the overall package.

Did you put Schaeffers back in? I don't know much about these but I'm guessing the Copper will trend down.

Yea I joined a long time ago and several vehicles ago, just kinda lurked once in a while. The XD is a lot nicer and much more capable than most people realize. It doesn't have the specs of the big 3 brands but it wasn't meant to either. The specs are okay and it tows very well but mine is deleted and it is a whole different beast from stock, liking it so far. It's a shame they already stopped producing the diesel but if it doesn't sell, I can't blame them. I did put schaeffers back in so I'll have to see what this interval looks like.


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Re: 2016 Titan XD Cummins, Schaeffers 9000 5W-40 [Re: dnewton3] #5292412 12/12/19 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by dnewton3
I don't have any data on these, so my comments are only supposition.

Typically Cu is very reactive (sensitive) to certain additives in some oils; that may simply be a chelation issue for the Cu that should calm over time.

The Fe apparently runs high for this engine series; even the UA is up there around 7ppm/1k miles.

What triggers the OCI? Is there an IOLM, or just a set value?

From what I have read, copper levels can be elevated due to certain oil add packs that react with oil coolers. Hopefully this is the case and over time my levels will go down. This was the first fill with schaeffers in this engine so I'm wondering if that had an affect or not. There have been a few of these engines that had main bearing failures (overheating) and crankshafts breaking so I'm hoping my copper isn't from the bearings but I have no idea what they are made of. The bearing and crankshaft issues have so far been limited to a little less than 3% of the cummins ISVs produced, at least from what I can obtain from titan pages. The internet doesn't lie right? The OCI is actually 10k miles from Nissan but I would never go that far without a bypass filter while emissions are still intact. Stock, these engines are really hard on oil from what I can gather on various titan groups. For example, T6 has shown to be robust in various applications but the ISV shears it down at 5k miles and produces bad results on T6. There are a few titans running around with 30-40k OCIs, deleted with a bypass filter. With schaeffers having good reviews and a good bit of towing, I decided on 6500 ish.

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2016 Nissan Titan XD Cummins - Schaeffers Supreme 9000 5W-40
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Re: 2016 Titan XD Cummins, Schaeffers 9000 5W-40 [Re: 06_lx] #5297048 12/17/19 04:09 PM
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I doubt the Copper is coming from the bearings because no Lead is showing in the wear metals.
Like dnewton says, it could be chelation.


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Re: 2016 Titan XD Cummins, Schaeffers 9000 5W-40 [Re: 06_lx] #5297571 12/18/19 05:32 AM
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Stick with 6500 OCI for now; just to take another variable out of the equation.
Track the Cu and Fe; see how they settle with time.
Report back with more UOAs, please. I'm curious about this engine design and want to follow along.


The act of preventative maintenance, in and of itself, is FAR MORE important than brand/grade/base choices among lubes and filters.
- under maintaining something is akin to abuse/neglect; that can kill equipment by shortening the lifespan
- over maintaining something has never been proven to be anything but a waste of time and money
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