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Re: "The Battery Thread Of 2019" [Re: Wolf359] #5289727 12/09/19 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Wolf359
Your mechanic should also be able to test for it if you don't know how. Basically you disconnect the battery and put a meter between the terminals when the car is off. If it's beyond a certain amount, then you have a parasitic draw. Also it's not the winter that kills the battery, it's probably the heat. You only notice it in the winter. The curves are crossed, in hot weather, the battery generates more current, in cold weather less. In hot weather, it takes less current to turn over the engine, in cold weather it takes more. So when the heat kills your battery in the summer, you don't notice it til the winter. As others said, I don't think you have a battery problem, it's probably a charging system problem or some parasitic draw. You're not in that hot a climate, otherwise in a hot state, then yeah 3 years is what a lot of people get as it's the heat that bakes a battery not the cold. You could also take the car to get the system load tested before the warranty expires and that will tell you how good the battery is so you can get it changed out before the warranty expires and not wait til it leaves you stranded.


Many many thanks for your reply. I will do as you suggested.

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Here's what I am thinking size wise my friend...

A group 34 battery.... Height is almost identical to your 59 sized battery. Width is less by a bit... Both are top post SAE.... And polarity is the same direction group 34 and 59 .. slightly longer by 1/2 inch at most... Better CCA.... 800 CCA vs 590... Weight is more too... 41 pounds for a East Penn Superstart from O Reilly's vs only 38 pounds for the group 59...


Interesting to note... The supposed group 59 batteries I am seeing.... Are all off in terms of Length vs what those batteries are truly supposed to be... A true BCI group 59 battery is supposed to be 10.1 inches long..... Yet the ones I see from O Reilly's and Napa are all shorter.... By close to 1 inch or more...

The group 34 battery is supposed to be10.3 inches long.

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Re: "The Battery Thread Of 2019" [Re: NDL] #5289740 12/09/19 06:47 PM
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I hate group 59. Never found a great one. I always get slight leakage around the caps. The O'Reilly's battery I got last time isn't as bad as the NAPA Legends I used before it...pretty sure the NAPA batteries are Johnson Controls. Never have gotten more than 3-4 years out of a battery in my 02 Ranger either.

Maybe I'll try a 34 next time.


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Re: "The Battery Thread Of 2019" [Re: NDL] #5289763 12/09/19 07:04 PM
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Pretty sure NAPA aren't JC, I can't remember who they are made by


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Re: "The Battery Thread Of 2019" [Re: NDL] #5289771 12/09/19 07:10 PM
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VARTA makes the best and longest lasting battery in my experience.


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Re: "The Battery Thread Of 2019" [Re: 01rangerxl] #5289774 12/09/19 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by jayjr1105
Pretty sure NAPA aren't JC, I can't remember who they are made by

Originally Posted by 01rangerxl
I hate group 59. Never found a great one. I always get slight leakage around the caps. The O'Reilly's battery I got last time isn't as bad as the NAPA Legends I used before it...pretty sure the NAPA batteries are Johnson Controls. Never have gotten more than 3-4 years out of a battery in my 02 Ranger either.

Maybe I'll try a 34 next time.


Napa is East Penn/Deka.

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Your mechanic should also be able to test for it if you don't know how. Basically you disconnect the battery and put a meter between the terminals when the car is off. If it's beyond a certain amount, then you have a parasitic draw. Also it's not the winter that kills the battery, it's probably the heat. You only notice it in the winter. The curves are crossed, in hot weather, the battery generates more current, in cold weather less. In hot weather, it takes less current to turn over the engine, in cold weather it takes more. So when the heat kills your battery in the summer, you don't notice it til the winter. As others said, I don't think you have a battery problem, it's probably a charging system problem or some parasitic draw. You're not in that hot a climate, otherwise in a hot state, then yeah 3 years is what a lot of people get as it's the heat that bakes a battery not the cold. You could also take the car to get the system load tested before the warranty expires and that will tell you how good the battery is so you can get it changed out before the warranty expires and not wait til it leaves you stranded.


Many many thanks for your reply. I will do as you suggested.



A really, really good post by Wolf ^^^^^^^


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Re: "The Battery Thread Of 2019" [Re: NDL] #5289837 12/09/19 08:32 PM
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Re: "The Battery Thread Of 2019" [Re: 01rangerxl] #5289870 12/09/19 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by 01rangerxl
...pretty sure the NAPA batteries are Johnson Controls.


Johnson Controls no longer exists.

https://www.greencarcongress.com/2019/05/20190502-clarios.html

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Originally Posted by volk06


Napa is East Penn/Deka.


So my O'Reilly's battery is probably the same thing as the stupid NAPA Legend. No wonder it has started leaking around the caps.

59 seems like an afterthought size. I ordered an AC Delco one from the distributor we use at work and it looked as old as the truck, so I sent it back. Motorcraft is expensive and still only lasts 3-4 years in my '02.


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I’m not sure how long NAPA has been made by East Penn, but my Oreillys And Duracell Auto Batteries made by East Penn are way better about not having the terminal corrosion.

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I've gone AGM. Time will tell if it's money well spent


Same, I went against my better judgement where I could have gotten an Interstate at Costco for $80. I went with a Champion Group 35 AGM at PepBoys because they were running a $50 rebate on black friday weekend. Time will tell indeed.


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Re: "The Battery Thread Of 2019" [Re: bbhero] #5290427 12/10/19 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by bbhero
Here's what I am thinking size wise my friend...

A group 34 battery.... Height is almost identical to your 59 sized battery. Width is less by a bit... Both are top post SAE.... And polarity is the same direction group 34 and 59 .. slightly longer by 1/2 inch at most... Better CCA.... 800 CCA vs 590... Weight is more too... 41 pounds for a East Penn Superstart from O Reilly's vs only 38 pounds for the group 59...


Interesting to note... The supposed group 59 batteries I am seeing.... Are all off in terms of Length vs what those batteries are truly supposed to be... A true BCI group 59 battery is supposed to be 10.1 inches long..... Yet the ones I see from O Reilly's and Napa are all shorter.... By close to 1 inch or more...

The group 34 battery is supposed to be10.3 inches long.


I thank you for both your time, and for the information, that you posted. I can't believe how far superior the 34's specs are to the 59's, for a similarly sized battery. Incredible, actually.

Originally Posted by 01rangerxl
I hate group 59. Never found a great one. I always get slight leakage around the caps. The O'Reilly's battery I got last time isn't as bad as the NAPA Legends I used before it...pretty sure the NAPA batteries are Johnson Controls. Never have gotten more than 3-4 years out of a battery in my 02 Ranger either.

Maybe I'll try a 34 next time.


NAPA are now Deka (I spoke with Deka directly, yesterday).

Meanwhile, the original Motorcraft battery in my Ranger lasted almost 6 years. I only swapped it out as a reliability issue; I wonder how much longer the original battery would've run.


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Originally Posted by Wolf359
Your mechanic should also be able to test for it if you don't know how. Basically you disconnect the battery and put a meter between the terminals when the car is off. If it's beyond a certain amount, then you have a parasitic draw. Also it's not the winter that kills the battery, it's probably the heat. You only notice it in the winter. The curves are crossed, in hot weather, the battery generates more current, in cold weather less. In hot weather, it takes less current to turn over the engine, in cold weather it takes more. So when the heat kills your battery in the summer, you don't notice it til the winter. As others said, I don't think you have a battery problem, it's probably a charging system problem or some parasitic draw. You're not in that hot a climate, otherwise in a hot state, then yeah 3 years is what a lot of people get as it's the heat that bakes a battery not the cold. You could also take the car to get the system load tested before the warranty expires and that will tell you how good the battery is so you can get it changed out before the warranty expires and not wait til it leaves you stranded.


Many many thanks for your reply. I will do as you suggested.



A really, really good post by Wolf ^^^^^^^


Indeed. Wolf's approach is the most logical, and again, thanks Wolf!


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My vehicle's situation aside, something is going on with car batteries. Not too long ago, batteries commonly came with 36, 48, or 60 month warranties.

Now I am seeing 18 month, 24 month, units? For a buck and a quarter, plus?

Have new environmental regulations changed the way batteries are made?

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Had a '97 Taurus that the Radio/climate control thing when bad and had a parasitic draw. Hard to find.

Exide has always been a shady company....


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Re: "The Battery Thread Of 2019" [Re: sloinker] #5290662 12/10/19 05:25 PM
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VARTA makes the best and longest lasting battery in my experience.

Varta is JCI/Clarios. Some of JCI's German/Spanish batteries make their way over here.

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