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Current Honda Factory Fill #5289054 12/09/19 04:16 AM
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Recently purchased a 2020 Civic. I remember it used to be said that Honda factory fill was "special" because it had a lot of moly in it because it was either part of the add pack or as a result of the assembly lube at the factory. Is that still the case?

How long should I keep the break-in oil? I did the first oci on my '16 Fiesta ST within the first 900 miles and another one 1000 miles after that. Thought it was excessive at first, but the first UOA I did on it pretty early on showed no remaining break-in wear metals.

I plan on following the OLM after break-in on the Civic.


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2020 Honda Civic Si: Factory Fill, OEM filter
Re: Current Honda Factory Fill [Re: asiancivicmaniac] #5289059 12/09/19 04:40 AM
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You will get opinions on 1K to 10K OCIs. I'm split in the middle at 5K.


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20' Kia Soul X-Line 2.0 Multi-port / Pennzoil Gold 5W30 / OEM filter
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Originally Posted by Triple_Se7en
You will get opinions on 1K to 10K OCIs. I'm split in the middle at 5K.


I like your 5K idea. My car was 10K and in the OM break-in paragraph/page never mentioned any early oil change ... Our other new (2014) car same thing ... change at 6500 or 7500.

I've heard about moly in most if not all Japanese engines and one very experienced master mechanic told me not to drain the factory fill too quickly. Filter will catch the stuff in any. That's why I like the 5K.

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I dont think it will hurt anything to change oil early/often or to wait until the OLM tells you to change it, as long as you use the correct viscosity. Do which ever makes you feel warm and fuzzy.

I waited for the OLM from day 1 through year 3 on my '12 Odyssey and it runs like new at 105k. Now that i tow with it I do 5k even though it would probably be fine to wait for the OLM.

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Re: Current Honda Factory Fill [Re: asiancivicmaniac] #5289084 12/09/19 06:15 AM
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Keep it in but upgrade to a higher-efficiency filter if you're really worried about it.

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Do what HONDA recommends and you will not be wrong. Ed


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Re: Current Honda Factory Fill [Re: asiancivicmaniac] #5289116 12/09/19 07:07 AM
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Read your owner's manual.
In the past, Honda has had an explicit statement about not changing the oil from the factory fill until the OLM states to do so.


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Re: Current Honda Factory Fill [Re: asiancivicmaniac] #5289148 12/09/19 07:50 AM
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Don't know what your 2020 owners manual says, but when I bought my Pilot new the manual said leave the factory oil in until the olm told you to change or one year whichever came first. I would follow the owners manual on a new car, not someone's opinion.


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Re: Current Honda Factory Fill [Re: asiancivicmaniac] #5289160 12/09/19 08:09 AM
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just fallow the OLM, it's set very conservative anyhow. my oil in my accord is always in great shape when changed at 20% usually around the 9000 miles mark. Blackstone tells me it's good for another 2500 easy.
i also went to 5/30 over the 0/20.
and i use Supertech synthetic. and mobile 1 filters.


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Re: Current Honda Factory Fill [Re: asiancivicmaniac] #5289164 12/09/19 08:16 AM
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Not again.! Every Month a thread when should I do the first OCI smile smile smile

Anything under 2K is too early and anything over 5K is too long

Somehere in the middle.

On the short end if you drive less miles/day
on the long end if you drive many miles a day.

Then there is the new

"keep the oil in and change the filter camp with a light topoff"

At least that would prevent the big chunks of casting flash and machining curly-fries from getting let loose during a filter bypass waashout event.


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Re: Current Honda Factory Fill [Re: asiancivicmaniac] #5289190 12/09/19 08:51 AM
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The last honda engine I did own
a 2014 4cyl,I sent the oil in for evaluation and it was showing high aluminum
which means it was eating itself so I sold it

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Re: Current Honda Factory Fill [Re: asiancivicmaniac] #5289213 12/09/19 09:16 AM
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Honda’s factory fill is ordinary, but molybdenum is used in assembly lines and washes into the oil. Honda seems to believe this is helpful for a good break-in because the molybdenum keeps hot spots from forming on new cylinder walls, coking oil and preventing a good seal from forming.

So that’s the case for a long first interval. On the other hand, if you look at Civic forums or around here, you’ll find the Honda 1.5T engine is one of the worst for fuel dilution of engine oil. Admittedly, we don’t know how if this is truly harmful, but it’s at least an argument for a shorter oil change interval.

For my last new Honda engine, I ran the factory fill to about 5k. The replacement oil was Idemitsu with Moly, which seemed to provide some of the break-in benefits Honda was looking for. After that, I switched to Mobil1.

Before you take Honda’s Maintenance Minder as gospel, I’d suggest a UOA from a lab like Oil Analyzers that does a good job with fuel dilution. This should tell you whether your particular engine and driving style make long intervals appropriate.

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How high was aluminum that you had to sell the car?

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Originally Posted by mightymousetech
I am a dealer tech (20 years with Acura/Honda) every couple years we get another service bulletin from Engineering stating that doing the first oil change early can damage the engine, and we are NOT to change the factory fill early. The factory fill oil is not the issue, it is the high moly assembly lube used they want retained in the oil. Doing the first oil change early can cause hot spots to form in the engine.


If you do change it early, put in Mazda dealership oil with high moly 0w20, or Zepro high-moly 0w20 from Amazon.
Fram Ultra oil filters filter better than anything else, always good too.

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My 2017 Civic hatch had it’s first oil change at around 4,500mi. Reason for that was rising oil level on the dipstick. I’ve done UOA on factory fill and sure enough it showed elevated wear numbers (which is expected), as well as super low viscosity 5.8cst or so. Never had oil level issues since. Engine consumes no detectable amount of oil. Btw, OLM was reading 60% left when i changed factory fill - no way i’d drive 10k+ on the oil that is thin as ATF. With all of the above - change it anytime, no harm at all

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