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Re: ADBV Failure FU XG-8A ,10K miles 13 months [Re: 69Torino] #5287786 12/07/19 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Triple_Se7en
You have a LA 318 roller cam..... what ever that is! But do you have a vehicle brand - year - model name and engine size displacement please?
Why are you NOT telling us what vehicle this filter was installed on?


This is an Automotive forum. If one does not instantly know what an LA 318 is, and a general ideal of the vehicles it was placed into, in what era, with Roller cam narrowing down those years drastically, well I don't care to engage with them. I doubt they have anything to offer on automotive related topics I am interested in. Not listing the vehicle weeds out replies from the irrelevant. That is Why.

318 is the displacement...... genius. Do I need to say that is cubic inches or can you only think in terms of liters of displacement, that would be 5.2.

Your insistence on knowing what vehicle this is inside of, speaks volumes.

It is not relevant to the fact that the silicone ADBV, of Bitog's current darling oil filter, failed to perform its task, in half the mileage it is rated for. It caused lots of start up rattle and contributed to some unknown degree of extra engine wear, this particular darling did.



Re: ADBV Failure FU XG-8A ,10K miles 13 months [Re: newtoncd8] #5287792 12/07/19 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by newtoncd8
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This is the first thread that shows proof of the “I got a start up rattle” with a Fram. The seal isn’t good when design and manufacturing errors add up in the wrong direction.


It may be small numbers, but when you personally experience the issue, it is pretty unnerving. Our RX330 had a major knocking sound (much more than a rattle) upon start-up after sitting overnight with the XG3614.

I sent the filter to car51 and he dissected it, but didn't see anything visually wrong -- I switched back to the Toyota 90915-YZZD1/3 filter.

Here is the thread: https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/foru...723/fram-ultra-3614-6-500-miles-cut-open



That's interesting to know. I run the slightly longer 3600 version in my Tacoma and even near my 5K OCI it is very quiet on cold start (besides the water pump squeak, lol). Although the filter is almost vertical.


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Re: ADBV Failure FU XG-8A ,10K miles 13 months [Re: wrcsixeight] #5287794 12/07/19 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by wrcsixeight

This is an Automotive forum. If one does not instantly know what an LA 318 is, and a general ideal of the vehicles it was placed into, in what era, with Roller cam narrowing down those years drastically, well I don't care to engage with them.


LOL! That was one of the do*chiest things I've read on here. Thanks for the laugh!


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Re: ADBV Failure FU XG-8A ,10K miles 13 months [Re: wrcsixeight] #5287804 12/07/19 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by wrcsixeight
Originally Posted by Triple_Se7en
You have a LA 318 roller cam..... what ever that is! But do you have a vehicle brand - year - model name and engine size displacement please?
Why are you NOT telling us what vehicle this filter was installed on?


This is an Automotive forum. If one does not instantly know what an LA 318 is, and a general ideal of the vehicles it was placed into, in what era, with Roller cam narrowing down those years drastically, well I don't care to engage with them. I doubt they have anything to offer on automotive related topics I am interested in. Not listing the vehicle weeds out replies from the irrelevant. That is Why.

318 is the displacement...... genius. Do I need to say that is cubic inches or can you only think in terms of liters of displacement, that would be 5.2.

Your insistence on knowing what vehicle this is inside of, speaks volumes.

It is not relevant to the fact that the silicone ADBV, of Bitog's current darling oil filter, failed to perform its task, in half the mileage it is rated for. It caused lots of start up rattle and contributed to some unknown degree of extra engine wear, this particular darling did.

I knew what it was, pre-Magnum Dodge 318 (AKA 5.2 liter, although they normally weren't called that), there were a bunch of them around in the old days (with flat tappet cams).


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Re: ADBV Failure FU XG-8A ,10K miles 13 months [Re: bullwinkle] #5287805 12/07/19 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by bullwinkle
Originally Posted by wrcsixeight
[quote=Triple_Se7en]You have a LA 318 roller cam..... what ever that is! But do you have a vehicle brand - year - model name and engine size displacement please?
Why are you NOT telling us what vehicle this filter was installed on?


This is an Automotive forum. If one does not instantly know what an LA 318 is, and a general ideal of the vehicles it was placed into, in what era, with Roller cam narrowing down those years drastically, well I don't care to engage with them. I doubt they have anything to offer on automotive related topics I am interested in. Not listing the vehicle weeds out replies from the irrelevant. That is Why.

318 is the displacement...... genius. Do I need to say that is cubic inches or can you only think in terms of liters of displacement, that would be 5.2.

Your insistence on knowing what vehicle this is inside of, speaks volumes.

It is not relevant to the fact that the silicone ADBV, of Bitog's current darling oil filter, failed to perform its task, in half the mileage it is rated for. It caused lots of start up rattle and contributed to some unknown degree of extra engine wear, this particular darling did.

I knew what it was, pre-Magnum Dodge 318 (AKA 5.2 liter, although they normally weren't called that), there were a bunch of them around in the old days (with flat tappet cams). The Ultra is only my "darling" because of its' price & quality as far as I'm concerned, all the ones I bought were under $5 off eBay, rebates, etc. The ~$20 Royal Purple has a stronger can, but it's not 4X better!


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Re: ADBV Failure FU XG-8A ,10K miles 13 months [Re: wrcsixeight] #5287827 12/07/19 03:50 PM
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Re: ADBV Failure FU XG-8A ,10K miles 13 months [Re: 69Torino] #5287830 12/07/19 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by 69Torino
First I will state that I am not a detractor of Fram, especially the Ultra. I simply don’t pick them out of a lineup when it’s time to buy a filter. I actually considered trying one out on my XTerra, simply to use one of the most controversial filters ever made and see how it goes for me personally. I’m sure the experience will be mind numbingly average and uneventful.

I will however state that I have cut a lot of filters open, and I have observed some things that I consider to be factual;
All silicone anti-drainback valves are not created equal. This seems to be a simplistic, obvious statement, but worthy of discussion. Fram’s valve, while it is silicone, (and seemingly the same valve across their entire lineup of filters) is a simple flap. There is no rigidity or support. It is allowed to flex down to the filter element and nearly invert itself while oil is flowing under normal operation. As a contrary example, Ford Motorcraft, Wix, and Champ built premium filters such as K&N Gold, Mobil 1 or Royal Purple have molded in “fingers” or “tabs” on the element side of the valve to prevent what I would assume to be a form of hyper extension while oil flows by, therefore limiting the amount of “backbend” the anti drainback valve must endure. This, I would think would limit fatigue. I have at least one of these ADBV’s on the shelf and will gladly supply a picture illustrating these tabs if I must. One more observation I have made is that Ford Motorcraft and Ford Racing Filter ADBV’s are labeled FOMOCO. So Ford has the rights and possibly a patent on their ADBV design. Most others I have seen are labeled “Parker”. That is all, nothing more than observation.



Agree 100% with your observation. I always thought the Fram valves were not up to (say WIX) standards. My opinion of course, but this is one of the reasons I've never felt compelled to use a Fram filter


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Re: ADBV Failure FU XG-8A ,10K miles 13 months [Re: IronMaidenRules] #5287848 12/07/19 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by IronMaidenRules
Originally Posted by wrcsixeight

This is an Automotive forum. If one does not instantly know what an LA 318 is, and a general ideal of the vehicles it was placed into, in what era, with Roller cam narrowing down those years drastically, well I don't care to engage with them.

LOL! That was one of the do*chiest things I've read on here. Thanks for the laugh!


LoL, yeah seems someone poured some [censored] in someone's Wheaties this morning.

Re: ADBV Failure FU XG-8A ,10K miles 13 months [Re: bbhero] #5287868 12/07/19 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by bbhero
Had the same thing happen with a Fram Ultra 4967 on the lady's 2.2L 98 Camry.. Normally oil comes out when loosening the filter... This has the base end faced down towards the motor... And when I unscrewed that Fram Ultra is was bone dry... Zero oil came out. Other filters have had oil come out and I have had to use a paper towel to clean up the front side of the motor.

That may be normal for any filter when mounted upside down. Both my subarus are mounted upside down. And all filters unscrew without any mess. Not sure how subaru does it. But oil pressure is there instantly and no engine noise.


Re: ADBV Failure FU XG-8A ,10K miles 13 months [Re: IronMaidenRules] #5287872 12/07/19 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by IronMaidenRules
Originally Posted by wrcsixeight

This is an Automotive forum. If one does not instantly know what an LA 318 is, and a general ideal of the vehicles it was placed into, in what era, with Roller cam narrowing down those years drastically, well I don't care to engage with them.


LOL! That was one of the do*chiest things I've read on here. Thanks for the laugh!


LOL well it’s a Dodge... so that’s probably why car guys didn’t know what it was.

Re: ADBV Failure FU XG-8A ,10K miles 13 months [Re: wrcsixeight] #5287966 12/07/19 06:44 PM
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Could it be that the bypass got stuck open?

Re: ADBV Failure FU XG-8A ,10K miles 13 months [Re: newtoncd8] #5288651 12/08/19 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by newtoncd8
Originally Posted by Farnsworth
This is the first thread that shows proof of the “I got a start up rattle” with a Fram. The seal isn’t good when design and manufacturing errors add up in the wrong direction.


It may be small numbers, but when you personally experience the issue, it is pretty unnerving. Our RX330 had a major knocking sound (much more than a rattle) upon start-up after sitting overnight with the XG3614.

I sent the filter to car51 and he dissected it, but didn't see anything visually wrong -- I switched back to the Toyota 90915-YZZD1/3 filter.

Here is the thread: https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/foru...723/fram-ultra-3614-6-500-miles-cut-open



I had a similar noise occur when I put the Fram filter on my car. Prior to this occurring I haven't heard this noise before. After putting the Fram on, a couple of days later when I started the car, there was a rattling noise followed by knocking/ticking noise that lasted for a few seconds. At first I didn't pay much attention but then I realized the ticking was coming from the car. Strangely, that was the only time this occurred and hasn't happened since.

It's kind of weird but it's the same filter as yours, newtoncd8.

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