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Thoughts... Tough Guard vs Extended Guard (9688) #5286846 12/06/19 11:56 AM
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The new boxes list these attributes...

TG - 15K mile protection - $9.XX
EG - 10K mile protection - $5.XX (now with silicone ADBV)

TG - 99% efficiency (better media?)
EG - No longer lists efficiency numbers but used to say 95%

Question: is the 4% better efficient worth it to you to spend almost 50% more for the TG?

*full disclosure, i have a few of each in my stash.



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Re: Thoughts... Tough Guard vs Extended Guard (9688) [Re: wemay] #5286850 12/06/19 12:06 PM
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To me it would all depend on how long your OCIs are, this is how I break them down when doing maintenance.
3-5K = EG
5-10K = TG
10K+ = FU

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Re: Thoughts... Tough Guard vs Extended Guard (9688) [Re: volk06] #5286880 12/06/19 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by volk06
To me it would all depend on how long your OCIs are, this is how I break them down when doing maintenance.
3-5K = EG
5-10K = TG
10K+ = FU

That sums it up pretty good.


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Re: Thoughts... Tough Guard vs Extended Guard (9688) [Re: wemay] #5286885 12/06/19 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by wemay
The new boxes list these attributes...

TG - 15K mile protection - $9.XX
EG - 10K mile protection - $5.XX (now with silicone ADBV)

TG - 99% efficiency (better media?)
EG - No longer lists efficiency numbers but used to say 95%

Question: is the 4% better efficient worth it to you to spend almost 50% more for the TG?

*full disclosure, i have a few of each in my stash.



You only buy 2x TG at $18.xx
for every 3x EG at $15.xx so it's even more of a narrow comparison.
How much is the Ultra for your application?


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Re: Thoughts... Tough Guard vs Extended Guard (9688) [Re: JLTD] #5286913 12/06/19 01:17 PM
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The Xtra Guard is $11.XX. but i'm not in need of it even though i have used them in the past because my OCI rarely exceed 4.5K miles. I might consider running the TG for two oci.


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Re: Thoughts... Tough Guard vs Extended Guard (9688) [Re: wemay] #5286914 12/06/19 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by wemay
TG - 99% efficiency (better media?)
EG - No longer lists efficiency numbers but used to say 95%

Question: is the 4% better efficient worth it to you to spend almost 50% more for the TG?


Just going by those numbers:
One filter lets 1% of the dirt through, the other lets 5%.
So it it worth it to you to spend almost 50% more for the TG, which lets 5X less dirt pass through?


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Re: Thoughts... Tough Guard vs Extended Guard (9688) [Re: circuitsmith] #5286977 12/06/19 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by circuitsmith
... One filter lets 1% of the dirt through, the other lets 5%. ...
Yes, that's a less misleading way to phrase the numbers in such examples.

Approximate prices at Walmart the last time I checked for my cartridges size:
EG: $6.60
TG: $9 (only 36% more $)
XG: $11.
There's also the $3 SuperTech, which appears identical in construction to EG, but may use different media. It claims 99% efficiency for 30um.


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Re: Thoughts... Tough Guard vs Extended Guard (9688) [Re: wemay] #5287014 12/06/19 03:37 PM
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I always wondered where exactly the Tough Guard is supposed to fit ...

Is it really better than a regular Extra Guard ? Similar construction, filter media seems SLIGHTLY better, but if you really want a premium filter, for only a couple of dollars more that Ultra is usually sitting right beside it.

However, many years ago I took a marketing course, and it seems that companies know that the average consumer will often step up one level from the bottom tier, so as not to feel cheap. The Tough Guard costs very little extra to build, but sells for a few dollars more. If people buy it, good for Fram.


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Re: Thoughts... Tough Guard vs Extended Guard (9688) [Re: wemay] #5287073 12/06/19 04:36 PM
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I would probably not use the 9688 and use the 7317 instead.

at my walmart the XG7317 is $9 and good to go for 20K.

Here is one cut open with 20K miles

https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/foru...am-xg7317-20k-miles-cut-open#Post5270352

Re: Thoughts... Tough Guard vs Extended Guard (9688) [Re: wemay] #5287078 12/06/19 04:42 PM
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I run the ultra on everything. Even on the mazda for 3k changes.


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Re: Thoughts... Tough Guard vs Extended Guard (9688) [Re: wemay] #5287079 12/06/19 04:42 PM
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Does the 3593a interest you? Should be priced like most of the other EG’s.

Same physical size of the 9688.


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Re: Thoughts... Tough Guard vs Extended Guard (9688) [Re: wemay] #5287083 12/06/19 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by wemay
... because my OCI rarely exceed 4.5K miles. I might consider running the TG for two oci.


There it is....OCI <=4500 miles, TG for 2 intervals - well within the rated 10k.
$8.99 instead of $11.98 plus better filtration. Done.


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Re: Thoughts... Tough Guard vs Extended Guard (9688) [Re: dlundblad] #5287124 12/06/19 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by dlundblad
Does the 3593a interest you? Should be priced like most of the other EG’s.

Same physical size of the 9688.


The 9688 is the one recommended for the two vehicles in my sig.


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Re: Thoughts... Tough Guard vs Extended Guard (9688) [Re: geeman789] #5287128 12/06/19 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by geeman789
I always wondered where exactly the Tough Guard is supposed to fit ...

Is it really better than a regular Extra Guard ? Similar construction, filter media seems SLIGHTLY better, but if you really want a premium filter, for only a couple of dollars more that Ultra is usually sitting right beside it.

However, many years ago I took a marketing course, and it seems that companies know that the average consumer will often step up one level from the bottom tier, so as not to feel cheap. The Tough Guard costs very little extra to build, but sells for a few dollars more. If people buy it, good for Fram.


The TG is higher efficiency than the EG. The TG is 99% @ 20um and the EG is 95% @ 20um.

The TG and XG are basically the same efficiency (99% vs 99+% ... hair splitting). The difference is the XG is rated for longer use. The XG holds more debris and can therefore take a longer change interval. So the TG fits the high efficiency filter, but for shorter use. Of course, as some do here, the XG can be ran for 2x OCIs which would end up being cheaper than running two TGs.

Re: Thoughts... Tough Guard vs Extended Guard (9688) [Re: wemay] #5287130 12/06/19 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by wemay
The new boxes list these attributes...

TG - 15K mile protection - $9.XX
EG - 10K mile protection - $5.XX (now with silicone ADBV)

TG - 99% efficiency (better media?)
EG - No longer lists efficiency numbers but used to say 95%


Fram shows the EG efficiency to be 95% @ => 20um as before. Click on the "Media" bar on Fram's website.

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