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Re: Nissan NS-3 Equivalent - Valvoline CVT [Re: MolaKule] #5285272 12/04/19 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by MolaKule
There are some good CVT replacements out there that cover NS-3:

Redline CVT

Amsoil CVT

Valvoline CVT

Castrol CVT


The Valvoline link shows it covers both NS-2 and NS-3.

I thought those two specs were entirely different. How can it be “all things” for two different CVT requirements?


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Re: Nissan NS-3 Equivalent - Valvoline CVT [Re: JeffKeryk] #5285289 12/04/19 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by JeffKeryk

I did 3 services. The original fluid was very dark brown, nearly black. 80K miles.
The 2nd drain was much better; a lighter brown. Maybe 4K miles later.
The 3rd was a lighter brown; much better.

I had great results with mixing 3 fluids: original NS-3, Valvoline and Castrol.
My guess is the color is added by the manufacturer.
I think the Castrol will serve you well. Good luck.


Sorry Jeff, I didn't see until just now that you had responded.

So you mixed colors, and had no problem.

It makes sense that the fluid started turning light brown when using the Valvoline, as that fluid is light brown.

Did it start turning red when using the Castrol, since Castrol is red?

Re: Nissan NS-3 Equivalent - Valvoline CVT [Re: sabbates] #5285373 12/04/19 08:45 PM
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I did 3 services. The original fluid was very dark brown, nearly black. 80K miles.
The 2nd drain was much better; a lighter brown. Maybe 4K miles later.
The 3rd was a lighter brown; much better.

I had great results with mixing 3 fluids: original NS-3, Valvoline and Castrol.
My guess is the color is added by the manufacturer.
I think the Castrol will serve you well. Good luck.


Sorry Jeff, I didn't see until just now that you had responded.

So you mixed colors, and had no problem.

It makes sense that the fluid started turning light brown when using the Valvoline, as that fluid is light brown.

Did it start turning red when using the Castrol, since Castrol is red?

I guess I don't really check the color. Sorry I can't be of more help...
I do use a dipstick, from an earlier year, but I am mainly concerned with level.
I think you wil be fine with Castrol or Valvoline. The car will feel stronger; give it a shot.


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Re: Nissan NS-3 Equivalent - Valvoline CVT [Re: dkryan] #5285430 12/04/19 10:21 PM
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[quote=dkryan

The Valvoline link shows it covers both NS-2 and NS-3.

I thought those two specs were entirely different. How can it be “all things” for two different CVT requirements?

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NS-3 is simply an upgrade of NS-2 using more modern base oils and an improved additive pack.


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Re: Nissan NS-3 Equivalent - Valvoline CVT [Re: dkryan] #5285532 12/05/19 03:02 AM
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Originally Posted by dkryan
Originally Posted by MolaKule
There are some good CVT replacements out there that cover NS-3:

Redline CVT

Amsoil CVT

Valvoline CVT

Castrol CVT


The Valvoline link shows it covers both NS-2 and NS-3.

I thought those two specs were entirely different. How can it be “all things” for two different CVT requirements?



Valvoline has introduced LV (low viscosity) version in Australia which is specific for NS-3. The version above is now equivalent to NS-2 only.
Valvoline LV

Outside of USA, Eneos has N-plus which specific for NS-3 (it is called Eneos Import) while in USA it has ECO CVT which is for both NS-2 and NS-3.
Eneos CVT N-Plus

It is difficult to tell how much differences are there vs just having a different product for marketing purposes. But it is definitely expensive marketing since logistically you need to stock 2 different products instead of one like Castrol covering NS-2 and NS-3.
But since Valvoline has gone that way, maybe...

Re: Nissan NS-3 Equivalent - Valvoline CVT [Re: reddevil] #5285536 12/05/19 03:22 AM
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Another interesting question to ponder - can cars specified for NS-2 use NS-3? if answer is yes, why is the newer LV CVT oil do not mention being backwards compatible?

If we based on engine oil, a car 10 years ago may require 0W-20 (SL) in the handbook (let say). Most Oil these days will be all SN rated at least. But you will still use 0W-20 (SN) rather then 10W-40 (SN) since the viscosity characteristic will be different.
NS-3 has newer (or better) additives but the viscosity is different. So why not do away with NS-2 altogether if NS-3 is backwards compatible.?

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Re: Nissan NS-3 Equivalent - Valvoline CVT [Re: reddevil] #5285851 12/05/19 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by reddevil
Another interesting question to ponder - can cars specified for NS-2 use NS-3? if answer is yes, why is the newer LV CVT oil do not mention being backwards compatible?



I don't believe I've seen where someone put NS-3 in a NS-2 spec'd Jatco, or the other way around and the fluid itself cause an issue. I have read of unknown "red" fluid being used and bad things happened.

It's a similar situation with Subaru CVTs where they have the standard green (or blue?) fluid and the high torque CVT version, which is dyed orange. Was it someone on BITOG who had a dealer put the wrong colored juice in and nothing bad happened?

For Nissans, I just don't see the point in paying $8-11/qt for aftermarket CVT fluid when you can find genuine NS-2 or 3 online for ~$11/qt shipped to your door. Once I'm out of warranty on my Pathfinder, if I can find a proven suitable aftermarket fluid for $5-6/qt? I'd go for it.

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Re: Nissan NS-3 Equivalent - Valvoline CVT [Re: JeffKeryk] #5286528 12/05/19 10:53 PM
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JTK,

I believe I can speak for most CVT owners (especially Nissan) in simply asking for a “proven suitable aftermarket fluid...........”


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Re: Nissan NS-3 Equivalent - Valvoline CVT [Re: dkryan] #5286766 12/06/19 10:12 AM
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JTK,

I believe I can speak for most CVT owners (especially Nissan) in simply asking for a “proven suitable aftermarket fluid...........”




All the aftermarket CVT fluids that are suitable for use in your application work without issue as far as I've read on the innerwebs. "Proven" is pretty tough to do given the track record of these particular transmissions.

I simply haven't used them because any CVT I've serviced up to this point still had warranty remaining on it.


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Re: Nissan NS-3 Equivalent - Valvoline CVT [Re: JTK] #5286910 12/06/19 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by JTK

To me, the benefit is cost savings and even that seems to be minimal. I just bought a 12qt case of genuine Nissan NS-3 for just over $130 all-in.

Where did you get that deal?

The cheapest I found was $208 for 12qt NS-3 on Amazon:
https://www.amazon.com/Nissan-Genui...words=ns-3&qid=1575659421&sr=8-5

Castrol Transmax CVT is $70 for 12qt:
https://www.amazon.com/Castrol-0681...ansmax+cvt&qid=1575659583&sr=8-4

Re: Nissan NS-3 Equivalent - Valvoline CVT [Re: sabbates] #5286928 12/06/19 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by JTK

To me, the benefit is cost savings and even that seems to be minimal. I just bought a 12qt case of genuine Nissan NS-3 for just over $130 all-in.

Where did you get that deal?

The cheapest I found was $208 for 12qt NS-3 on Amazon:
https://www.amazon.com/Nissan-Genui...words=ns-3&qid=1575659421&sr=8-5

Castrol Transmax CVT is $70 for 12qt:
https://www.amazon.com/Castrol-0681...ansmax+cvt&qid=1575659583&sr=8-4


eBay.

I browse listings for it and grab it when in need and I find a decent deal.


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Re: Nissan NS-3 Equivalent - Valvoline CVT [Re: JeffKeryk] #5289323 12/09/19 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by JeffKeryk

I had great results with mixing 3 fluids: original NS-3, Valvoline and Castrol.

I think you wil be fine with Castrol or Valvoline. The car will feel stronger; give it a shot.


Thanks for your response.

You are the first person I have found that admits to mixing the different colored fluids (all NS-3 compatible, of course).

Several people have said the colors shouldn't be mixed, but no one has said they had a negative experience with mixing.

I'll give it a try and report on the results.

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sabbates,

Who said that the colors shouldn't be mixed? As said, the dyes mean nothing other than a marker of sorts for OEM fluids.

My personal concern with using a different "color" fluid on my Nissan is I'm still under warranty and if I should have CVT issues, I don't want red or amber fluids to be present in the CVT.

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Re: Nissan NS-3 Equivalent - Valvoline CVT [Re: JeffKeryk] #5289483 12/09/19 02:59 PM
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FWIW, please see post #5288604 about dyes here :

CAM2 CVT is Green

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Re: Nissan NS-3 Equivalent - Valvoline CVT [Re: MolaKule] #5289549 12/09/19 03:55 PM
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FWIW, please see post #5288604 about dyes here :

CAM2 CVT is Green



Having done a bunch of drain/fills on 2 different NS-3 spec'd Nissans, I can attest this fluid drains out as a greenish color, even though it's blue when new. My point being, I doubt a Nissan service department is going to be able to tell the difference between using a green or blue recommended for use NS-3 alternative.


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