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Re: Honda OEM starter vs aftermarket??? [Re: Gebo] #5286102 12/05/19 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Gebo
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I agree, My Element has been one of the best cars I've ever owned. I posted this to find out if the OEM really is the best because I want to put the best starter in my Element so it will last at least another 12 years before I have to replace it again.


You may have just answered your own question.



I concur. You aren't gonna be happy with a non-OEM starter. You know me and Char Baby are telling the truth.
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I would go with the OEM shop as they are making a statement as to the quality of their work. IMHO


That is what I am leaning to. I'm talking to 2 Honda only repair shops and one uses only Honda Genuine Parts, the other uses aftermarket that they claim are better than OEM. They said the starter they use is new (as opposed to a OEM Reman that a dealership would put in) and is made by a company called Blue Energy or New Energy. I can't find that anywhere on the web. The difference in price between the 2 is almost $200, ($695 vs $510).

If I didn't have this back issue, I would try taking it out myself from the bottom and take the starter to a good auto-electric guy I know and
have it rebuilt.

Re: Honda OEM starter vs aftermarket??? [Re: Garyd] #5286113 12/05/19 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Garyd
[quote=Gebo][quote=Char Baby][quote=Garyd]I The difference inIf I didn't have this back issue, I would try taking it out myself from the bottom and take the starter to a good auto-electric guy I know and
have it rebuilt.




There is seriously zero reason to take it out from the bottom. It is much easier to remove the manifold and do it from the top.

Removing the manifold is very straightforward.


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Re: Honda OEM starter vs aftermarket??? [Re: The Critic] #5286130 12/05/19 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by The Critic
It's about a 45 min job from the top. The intake manifold comes out without too much drama. You might be able to get away with reusing the metal gasket....my local dealer doesn't stock the gasket if it tells you anything.

I had one 2.4 where the starter bolt damaged some threads in the block during removal. Had to tap new threads.

So far I have only used Denso reman's and my experience is that 1 out of 4 have failed after 18 months.


The 2003-2006 Elements look like they would take about 45 minutes from the top but mine is a 2008. the 2007-2011 have this black metal resonator on the back of the intake manifold that needs to be taken off to get to the starter so not as easy. You have to either take out the front T bracket (which requires getting under the car which I can't do) and loosen the radiator to make enough room to get the manifold out or pull it aside or you have to blindly try to reach around the manifold to take off the bolts to take the resonator off which from a couple of videos on youtube looks pretty difficult. Getting it from underneath looks like the better option on the 2007-2011s.

Re: Honda OEM starter vs aftermarket??? [Re: Garyd] #5286148 12/05/19 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Garyd
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It's about a 45 min job from the top. The intake manifold comes out without too much drama. You might be able to get away with reusing the metal gasket....my local dealer doesn't stock the gasket if it tells you anything.

I had one 2.4 where the starter bolt damaged some threads in the block during removal. Had to tap new threads.

So far I have only used Denso reman's and my experience is that 1 out of 4 have failed after 18 months.


The 2003-2006 Elements look like they would take about 45 minutes from the top but mine is a 2008. the 2007-2011 have this black metal resonator on the back of the intake manifold that needs to be taken off to get to the starter so not as easy. You have to either take out the front T bracket (which requires getting under the car which I can't do) and loosen the radiator to make enough room to get the manifold out or pull it aside or you have to blindly try to reach around the manifold to take off the bolts to take the resonator off which from a couple of videos on youtube looks pretty difficult. Getting it from underneath looks like the better option on the 2007-2011s.

All of mine have been Accords so I do not have experience with the black resonator. From the pictures, it looks possible to remove without going underneath but is a bit tricky.


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Re: Honda OEM starter vs aftermarket??? [Re: 1foxracing] #5286153 12/05/19 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by 1foxracing
You might want to search your local area for a shop that rebuilds alternators and starters, use to be a real common thing but maybe they are all disappearing like all the old Mom and Pop chroming shops.


There is a real good auto-electric guy near me that I would use if I could get the starter out myself. He charges only $75 to rebuild the starter!

Re: Honda OEM starter vs aftermarket??? [Re: The Critic] #5286157 12/05/19 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by The Critic
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It's about a 45 min job from the top. The intake manifold comes out without too much drama. You might be able to get away with reusing the metal gasket....my local dealer doesn't stock the gasket if it tells you anything.

I had one 2.4 where the starter bolt damaged some threads in the block during removal. Had to tap new threads.

So far I have only used Denso reman's and my experience is that 1 out of 4 have failed after 18 months.


The 2003-2006 Elements look like they would take about 45 minutes from the top but mine is a 2008. the 2007-2011 have this black metal resonator on the back of the intake manifold that needs to be taken off to get to the starter so not as easy. You have to either take out the front T bracket (which requires getting under the car which I can't do) and loosen the radiator to make enough room to get the manifold out or pull it aside or you have to blindly try to reach around the manifold to take off the bolts to take the resonator off which from a couple of videos on youtube looks pretty difficult. Getting it from underneath looks like the better option on the 2007-2011s.

All of mine have been Accords so I do not have experience with the black resonator. From the pictures, it looks possible to remove without going underneath but is a bit tricky.


Here are a couple of videos dealing with that black resonator:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qz1KR-7RFkQ&t=465s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TZq6wyIXMk

Re: Honda OEM starter vs aftermarket??? [Re: Garyd] #5286337 12/05/19 06:59 PM
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you can do this job yourself if you have the proper tools. I helped my neighbor do this job with just simple hand tools. yoou need the right combo of extencions and ratchets. nothing else. we worked from below and above


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Re: Honda OEM starter vs aftermarket??? [Re: Garyd] #5286951 12/06/19 02:03 PM
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I would use a Denso Reman instead of Honda Reman for the price. Denso is likely the OEM and they should be decent.

Stay away from Cardone for anything Reman. Run is the slowest thing you should do with Cardone Reman.

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Re: Honda OEM starter vs aftermarket??? [Re: Garyd] #5286980 12/06/19 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Garyd
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You might want to search your local area for a shop that rebuilds alternators and starters, use to be a real common thing but maybe they are all disappearing like all the old Mom and Pop chroming shops.


There is a real good auto-electric guy near me that I would use if I could get the starter out myself. He charges only $75 to rebuild the starter!


this. I did the same on our beloved 2004 TSX earlier this year; get a rebuild from great local shop. took me 1.5 hr because I am not an experienced, but i took the time and clean up the dirt in the intake while taking them off.

check with your local forum or car guys and see where do they go for starter rebuild. in old days there is yellow pages that list bunch of rebuild shop; you may have to search forum and calling around tp find out. these parts rebuild shop usually located in the area populated with auto-repair shops (they need each others).
after years of doing light maintenance and repair on my own car, I learn OE parts have the best fit and quality (HONDA/ACURA in this case), so OE is always my 1st choice, and if I have to use the aftermarket, I will save my OE part for later, repair or rebuild myself and make it a spare. so I call the shop and confirm it's a rebuild off OE stater, and later pickup rebuild starter off this old guy, and I didnt return the core.

on the side note, the day I visit, the old guy the owner is the alone in the shop with dim light, with a few old, nice car park inside. the shop is probalby not getting much business now because of flood cheap reman on market and same day delivery. he is probably holding the fort like he used decades ago. sometimes I wonder if I shall get the alternator/starter for my other cars before he close the shop....

Re: Honda OEM starter vs aftermarket??? [Re: PandaBear] #5286997 12/06/19 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by PandaBear
I would use a Denso Reman instead of Honda Reman for the price. Denso is likely the OEM and they should be decent.

Stay away from Cardone for anything Reman. Run is the slowest thing you should do with Cardone Reman.

Honda has been known to use Mitsubishi, Mitsuba and Denso for starters. They mostly use Mitsuba/CME on the 4-cylinder models.

I'd still go Denso or Bosch.

Re: Honda OEM starter vs aftermarket??? [Re: Garyd] #5287396 12/07/19 03:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Garyd
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Originally Posted by Garyd
I agree, My Element has been one of the best cars I've ever owned. I posted this to find out if the OEM really is the best because I want to put the best starter in my Element so it will last at least another 12 years before I have to replace it again.


You may have just answered your own question.



I concur. You aren't gonna be happy with a non-OEM starter. You know me and Char Baby are telling the truth.
thumbsup


I would go with the OEM shop as they are making a statement as to the quality of their work. IMHO


That is what I am leaning to. I'm talking to 2 Honda only repair shops and one uses only Honda Genuine Parts, the other uses aftermarket that they claim are better than OEM. They said the starter they use is new (as opposed to a OEM Reman that a dealership would put in) and is made by a company called Blue Energy or New Energy. I can't find that anywhere on the web. The difference in price between the 2 is almost $200, ($695 vs $510).

If I didn't have this back issue, I would try taking it out myself from the bottom and take the starter to a good auto-electric guy I know and
have it rebuilt.






Gary.. Want to jump in here and give you my experience. What no one is telling you is that the Honda genuine remanufactured starter comes with a 3 year parts AND labor warranty! That's from Honda. The new unit only has a 1 year warranty and NO labor coverage!! There is no reason to buy "new" Honda because the reman units are actually gone over with a technician/builder. The "new" ones are mass produced and only a few are taken from production to make sure they're 100%. Sad, but true. The reman is a much better deal, the only thing old is the casing, everything else is replaced. I know, I inspected a reman Honda starter for my 96 civic before the dealer installed it.. Definitely all new and awesome looking! Haven't had any problems.

So for the money, I'd just bite the bullet and get the Honda remanufactured starter and know it'll last you another 12+ years. Heck my 96 civic starter was original when it started to die in 2017! not bad at all!

EDIT: also.. the people who rebuild the starter is the original supplier of that part. If it's mitsuba for example, then the old core gets returned to them to rebuild it to 100% brand new (minus the old casing of course). So it's not a generic rebuilder doing it! I liked that idea with the reman stuff I got from the dealer (steering rack, starter).

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Re: Honda OEM starter vs aftermarket??? [Re: Garyd] #5287713 12/07/19 01:09 PM
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I vote for try to find a reman Honda unit. Off topic but I needed a started for my 99 Prelude. Timing was everything. A eBay seller had a BNIB reman Honda unit for sale for $35. Wholesale or retail from Honda for one of those units was $1000 and some change. They stopped producing the original brand new units. So give eBay a try and see if other k24 units might fit.


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Re: Honda OEM starter vs aftermarket??? [Re: researcher] #5287762 12/07/19 02:25 PM
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researcher, Do you know if that 3 year parts and labor warranty applies to a non-dealer Honda repair shop? I'm guessing not the labor since it's not a dealer service.

I have an appointment for next week with a very well reviewed Honda only repair shop that uses only Honda Genuine Parts, (Been in business 45 years!) and they will be installing a reman Honda starter on my Element. They quoted me $650. All the dealer service departments in my area want $1000+ to replace the starter. The Honda parts departments are selling just the reman OEM Honda starter for $500+ !

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$600 ain't bad. I have heard quotes up to $900 from private shops.


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Re: Honda OEM starter vs aftermarket??? [Re: Garyd] #5288123 12/07/19 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Garyd
researcher, Do you know if that 3 year parts and labor warranty applies to a non-dealer Honda repair shop? I'm guessing not the labor since it's not a dealer service.

I have an appointment for next week with a very well reviewed Honda only repair shop that uses only Honda Genuine Parts, (Been in business 45 years!) and they will be installing a reman Honda starter on my Element. They quoted me $650. All the dealer service departments in my area want $1000+ to replace the starter. The Honda parts departments are selling just the reman OEM Honda starter for $500+ !


Gary.. No the warranty from Honda only applies if a Honda dealer installs the remanufactured Honda part. Yup you're right, so I don't think the parts or labor warranty applies if it's a not a honda dealer.

I still think the reman is the best option out there, even if the warranty didn't apply. Yeah those dealers have ridiculous high labor rates, I think you've done well finding a shop that works on Hondas. I think I paid like $580-600 to replace my starter at the dealer. I think you're in good hands!

Keep us posted how it goes, it'll probably be a boring story.. lol.. You went in, they replaced the starter, the car now starts.. end of story! grin2 Crazy how that's how a part is SUPPOSED to be.. not these endless crappy parts from the aftermarket!

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