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Re: Car Shopping During Christmas - Due to Accident [Re: AZjeff] #5285557 12/05/19 04:53 AM
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Originally Posted by AZjeff
Has everyone recommending the CX-5 actually driven one? We have the 2014 RAV4 and our daughter has a 2015 CX-5 and the difference in daily driving dynamics is nil. Maybe we need to go autocrossing with them to feel the Zoom Zoom? Did Mazda do something 2016 up to rate the high praise? Back when we bought it was down to the RAV and CX-5, everything else being close the RAV won because the interior wasn't all black. Both have been flawless since new, we're going to DT tomorrow with the Mazda for new Continentals. Certainly a nice CUV but I don't find myself smiling like a butcher's dog when I drive it.


2016 Mazda CX-5 was a mild refresh/update year. Some cosmetics, added sound deadening insulation, infotainment system updates, swivel headlights, eP-brake/auto brake hold and more.

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Re: Car Shopping During Christmas - Due to Accident [Re: Auae85] #5285572 12/05/19 05:42 AM
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There is a saying buy brand new Toyota, Honda or Subaru while on the used market you buy Mazda, Ford, VW, Kia etc etc for a reason

That being said we owe 16 CRV and we are very happy with the vehicle. It is currently at 51k miles run and beyond it’s regular maintenance we did not put any money on it. It’s front brakes lasted to 50k as well as it’s Continental original tires; I’ll be in the same boat like you by looking for a new/newer (I’m not shying away from that new CRV again among others) car for myself next year in December most likely; the good thing it is you can score a great deal shopping for one at the end of the year, if there is a best time to get a vehicle this is it.

So you have multiple options in the class so choose what ever best fit your family needs and wants...


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Re: Car Shopping During Christmas - Due to Accident [Re: Auae85] #5285576 12/05/19 05:52 AM
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The RAV had a refresh then as well to address NVH, the main complaints at the time were road noise and harsh ride. Agree on the road noise but not harsh ride, it's a cute ute not a Crown Vic! I thought then and still do that the Mazda is better looking but it was her choice. If I were buying a used RAV it would be a '16 up to get the updates.


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Re: Car Shopping During Christmas - Due to Accident [Re: Auae85] #5285586 12/05/19 06:10 AM
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BITOG has many Honda-haters, many of whom haven't owned one. It's also loaded with CX-5 sycophants, most of whom haven't owned or driven one.

We used to own a CR-V many years ago and I've recently helped some friends/family shop in the segment. Incidentally, one ended up with a new CR-V, the other a new CX-5. What you can expect is for the CR-V to be very good at everything, including being better and more flexible for cargo. The powertrain is also very good (I'd even go so far as saying I kind of liked this latest iteration of Honda's CVT). The CX-5 smacks of quality (particularly the interior) and is athletic in terms of handling but it's noisier and it's cargo area is smaller and not as useful as the CR-V. The Mazda's conventional auto is nice but the engine's power delivery feels flatter than the Honda's which pulls more at higher RPM.

If it were my money I'd put it on the CR-V. I think it's the best package in the segment unless you don't care as much about the cargo area or road noise.


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Re: Car Shopping During Christmas - Due to Accident [Re: CKN] #5285592 12/05/19 06:21 AM
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Originally Posted by CKN
As an owner-a Hyundai Santa Fe XL or Tucson would be worth consideration.

And you will save PLENTY over the Toyo/Honda/CX5 equivalent.



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Re: Car Shopping During Christmas - Due to Accident [Re: Auae85] #5285948 12/05/19 12:48 PM
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No denying the automatic transmission in Mazdas are excellent. Always in the right gear, never in too high of a gear and wandering all over the place.

CVT and 1.5L turbo engine problems would eliminate Honda.

Mazda does have zoom zoom engineering in their vehicles. Luckily your wife was not injured in crash.

Re: Car Shopping During Christmas - Due to Accident [Re: Auae85] #5285949 12/05/19 12:49 PM
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[every vehicle post on bitog] is answered with CX-5. Its a pretty good vehicle no doubt.


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Re: Car Shopping During Christmas - Due to Accident [Re: Auae85] #5285981 12/05/19 01:10 PM
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Oh man that sucks! Like you say, no one was hurt is the main thing. The rest sounds like an insurance nightmare, so hopefully that all works out.

In regards to car shopping, car sales are slow this time of year, so things could work to your advantage.

I remember years ago when I bought my nearly new 1997 Jeep Wrangler, it was Dec 22-23 1998 and when I walked in to the showroom, the sales people were playing cards. I struck what I thought was a phenomenal deal too.

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Re: Car Shopping During Christmas - Due to Accident [Re: Auae85] #5285987 12/05/19 01:13 PM
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Im glad to hear everyone was OK. That's the most important thing.

As for car shopping, I agree with JTK, right before Christmas and before tax refund season is probably the best time to get a good deal.

Test drive all the ones you like and choose whatever suits you.


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Re: Car Shopping During Christmas - Due to Accident [Re: Auae85] #5286354 12/05/19 07:22 PM
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Drive a Forester before settling on a CRV or a Mazda.
Just my thoughts as one who has driven the three and bought a pair of Foresters over the years.


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Re: Car Shopping During Christmas - Due to Accident [Re: AZjeff] #5286444 12/05/19 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by AZjeff
Has everyone recommending the CX-5 actually driven one? We have the 2014 RAV4 and our daughter has a 2015 CX-5 and the difference in daily driving dynamics is nil. Maybe we need to go autocrossing with them to feel the Zoom Zoom? Did Mazda do something 2016 up to rate the high praise? Back when we bought it was down to the RAV and CX-5, everything else being close the RAV won because the interior wasn't all black. Both have been flawless since new, we're going to DT tomorrow with the Mazda for new Continentals. Certainly a nice CUV but I don't find myself smiling like a butcher's dog when I drive it.

I owned a 2015 CX5, and now own a 2019 CX5 turbo. The turbo is actually, legit fun. It's MUCH quieter and MUCH more refined in every way vs. the 2015, as well.

I would recommend the CX5 turbo -OR- if you can someway figure out how to wait it out, or get a stop-gap vehicle until the RAV4 PRIME drops and is actually tested, HEAVILY consider that. Everything about the RAV Prime that is currently public seems really cool.

Aside from that, vehicles I'd consider would be:

-Ford Edge Sport/ST ( American, and less mpg for similar performance though, also less refined...)
-Blazer RS (see above notation)
-Audi Q5 (Uses a DCT, and has a few other "more expensive to maintain components" for only a slight bump in performance and refinement)


Used:

AMG 43 GLC (no clue on maintenance, but does use a DCT, offers legit performance gains, similar in refinement)
BMW X3 M40i (No experience with this one at all, but it looks like the answer to the GLC AMG).

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Re: Car Shopping During Christmas - Due to Accident [Re: Auae85] #5286489 12/05/19 09:45 PM
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OP here - Thanks for the replies and kind words. Wife is a little sore from seat belt, but still as kranky as ever, haha.

I am starting to build a comparison spreadsheet (I'm an engineer by education and trade - oh well), to have a quick reference. My recent experience with the CRV is the baseline. I have started with more Honda CRVs, and added Subaru Forester and Outback, and Hyundai Santa Fe. Probably will look at a few other brands too, but so far those are the top three. I am particularly interested to see how the Subaru CVT compares to the Honda CVT in a drivability sense.

We will have to buy used. We just finished putting 2 sons through college, so funds are a little less available than ideally. I am trying to find something with less than 75K miles. I don't know what the insurance company will give us yet, which will determine when to get serious. Probably 2013 or newer models, because the wife wants comparable options that the CRV had.

I bought my 2005 LJ between Christmas and New Years, and almost got it for dealer cost, due to slow sales at that time. Still have it after 15 years.

Re: Car Shopping During Christmas - Due to Accident [Re: Auae85] #5286602 12/06/19 05:02 AM
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I would only buy used if the price was substantially lower than my best/hardest negotiation on the same vehicle new. There are so many good choices in this segment that it's really hard to go wrong with any of them.


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Re: Car Shopping During Christmas - Due to Accident [Re: Char Baby] #5286746 12/06/19 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Char Baby
I would only buy used if the price was substantially lower than my best/hardest negotiation on the same vehicle new. There are so many good choices in this segment that it's really hard to go wrong with any of them.

Well said. You can do real well on a new SUV right now. New tires, warranty, new everything.
It would be a great Christmas present.


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Re: Car Shopping During Christmas - Due to Accident [Re: Auae85] #5292976 12/12/19 10:24 PM
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I’ve owned rented or driven most in this class, and just bought a very low mileage 2016 CRV Touring.

Subaru’s have CVT issues, plus other problems and recalls. I’ve owned several Subarus, so I know them intimately.

RAV 4 was fine, but felt a little crude. I’d buy one if the price was right.

Daughters Mazda has been very good, but there aren’t as many used AWDs out there to choose from.

The Honda CVT is very good, no complaints, quiet and smooth. The 2017 and newer have many irritating problems. The ‘15 and ‘16 are upgraded versions of what you had.

I’ve had two ford CVTs and Two Honda CVTs, so far no problems at all. Company has a fleet of cars, most have CVTs, none have had problems.

While some have more sophisticated AWD systems, they all get the job done in similar fashion on the road.

The Honda had the most options, best price, and fewest potential problems.

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