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Re: 9005 upgrade bulbs? [Re: AZjeff] #5284610 12/04/19 05:14 AM
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Originally Posted by AZjeff
If anyone is still looking here I just received 2 Wagner 9011s from Amazon and the filaments are dead straight aligned and identical to each other. Maybe it's an internet problem?


After reading what Dave_Mark said in the other thread, that’s all I think is happening. Philips probably wants their bulbs within +/-X% of nominal, anything outside that is “rejected” by Philips and it becomes a Wagner bulb.


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Re: 9005 upgrade bulbs? [Re: AZjeff] #5284836 12/04/19 10:49 AM
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I've stopped using 9012s for my low-beams and instead have been using 9011s for both lows and highs since I like maximum output. I run my alternator at 14.6-14.8 volts, and at 14.6 volts we're looking at 3500 lumens per bulb, 7000 lumens on low-beam, 14,000 raw lumens when both lows and highs are on, and a lot of confused F-150 drivers driving around at night with 50" light bars switched on when I flick my high-beams on. I use a wiring harness so I know every bulb is being fed a good and healthy 14.6-14.8 volts. No 18ga wires and 20ga grounds here, no sir. And I get surprisingly decent life out of my 9011 bulbs still--they definitely aren't popping every other week.

The Wagners might be a good choice--if I can get 4 decent 9011 bulbs at $12 a piece that might be a better value proposition than getting 4 name-brand 9011 bulbs at $23 a piece.

And although I do yearn for the new reigning champ of 9011 bulbs, the resurrected Toshiba 9011, which is making a comeback after being deep 6'd almost a decade ago, I'm not sure if paying $55 a piece for 4 bulbs is worth it. Maybe the expressions on confused light bar users would be worth it when they realize their $1000 50" light bar has nothing on a 4x 9011 setup.

And don't some GM's have their alternator voltage regulator pegged to like 15.4 volts or something? At 15.4 volts that's over 4200 lumens per 9011 bulb. That would be pretty crazy. Amazing what halogen technology can do if one really sits down and tinkers a bit.

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Re: 9005 upgrade bulbs? [Re: AZjeff] #5285310 12/04/19 07:37 PM
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I ordered the Wagners from Amazon before it was pointed out they're junk so I ordered 2 Philips and intended to send the Wagners back. The Wagners came yesterday and the Philips came today. The Wagner box says made in Germany or Korea, the Philips box says designed in Germany, made in Korea. Now the interesting part, they're different internally. Not the same bulb.

Wagner box and bulb:
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What's interesting to me is the element in the Philips is obviously not centered in the bulb and it's slightly crooked. This is visually apparent and not because of the photo taken at an angle. After the Wagner bashing on candlepowerforums I don't know what to think. I can put all 4 in the RAV4 or 2 in the RAV and 2 in the Titan.



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Re: 9005 upgrade bulbs? [Re: AZjeff] #5285343 12/04/19 08:02 PM
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I vote put one of each in and see how/if it affects the beam pattern. I have the Philips 9011’s in my projector style headlights and they work perfectly fine. May or may not cast a different beam in reflector style headlights.


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Re: 9005 upgrade bulbs? [Re: AZjeff] #5285354 12/04/19 08:12 PM
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The RAV has projector lows and reflector highs. It might get all 4 since it's my 4am commuter car.

Be interesting to see what your bulbs look like and if the element is straight and centered.



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Re: 9005 upgrade bulbs? [Re: AZjeff] #5285459 12/04/19 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by AZjeff
The RAV has projector lows and reflector highs. It might get all 4 since it's my 4am commuter car.

Be interesting to see what your bulbs look like and if the element is straight and centered.


If it’s not frigidly cold and/or windy when I get home I’ll take a look.


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Re: 9005 upgrade bulbs? [Re: AZjeff] #5285473 12/04/19 11:17 PM
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What is printed on the bottom of the Wagner bulbs? Last I checked, they were branded Philips.

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My Philips 9011 filaments look just like your Wagners.


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Re: 9005 upgrade bulbs? [Re: Dave_Mark] #5285581 12/05/19 06:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Dave_Mark
What is printed on the bottom of the Wagner bulbs? Last I checked, they were branded Philips.


The Wagners say Wagner and Made in Germany. The Philips bulbs don't have COO (but the box says Korea).

So my Wagners look like your Philips and my Philips are different and look a little sloppy. What would they say about that over on candlepowerforums?



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Re: 9005 upgrade bulbs? [Re: AZjeff] #5285903 12/05/19 12:09 PM
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I'm not sure what you're seeing with the Philips, as they look fine to me. If you're talking about the support post, then yes, that's supposed to be bent like that. The coiled filament itself is straight and aligned. And as I discussed earlier, there are factors that can't be seen with the naked eye.

The Wagners look equally fine and looks like you've got a great deal, and they'll likely perform just as well.

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So my Wagners look like your Philips and my Philips are different and look a little sloppy. What would they say about that over on candlepowerforums?


Sounds like a great question for you to ask over there smile! I don't know everything and if they have updated information, I'd love to hear it. Generally, I try to stay away from Wagner as the majority of their line-up consists of blue and yellow-tinted bulbs that claim to cut through fog or light up road signs or other gimmicks, so it's nice to see a diamond in the rough in the form of their 9011 bulbs.

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Re: 9005 upgrade bulbs? [Re: Dave_Mark] #5286234 12/05/19 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Dave_Mark
I'm not sure what you're seeing with the Philips, as they look fine to me.


They're fine if the filament is not intended to be dead center in the glass tube and also be slightly out of alignment. Nothing to do with the filament holder.



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Re: 9005 upgrade bulbs? [Re: AZjeff] #5286253 12/05/19 05:38 PM
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Yes, the glass appears to make the filament look mislocated, but the filament itself is centered over the base of the bulb. The glass is intentionally slightly offset in some bulbs.

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