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Re: F-16 to Get Avionics Upgrade [Re: Kamele0N] #5284949 12/04/19 12:58 PM
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Croatia for example has 12 upgraded MiG-21, and they are well integrated into NATO air defense. .

Dont forget that they tried to buy F16....but but (main reason behind nixing that deal) they are just not ready yet for spreading "democacry" in the Balkans...since they are high on a nacionalism after the Balkan wars...

https://www.timesofisrael.com/israe...oatia-nixed-over-washingtons-objections/


The issue I see it is between US and Israel. Israel got those F16's as part of security assistance, but it is trying to make a buck now. Upgrades on those planes were also part of security assistance. I do not think that has to do anything with Croatian behavior or hugging Russia, but it should. They got 15 Kiowa's and 2 Blackhawks at the same time as security assistance.


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Re: F-16 to Get Avionics Upgrade [Re: ragtoplvr] #5284974 12/04/19 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by ragtoplvr
IN a war, they will rapidly run out of AAM weapons, and bullets are all we will have. So yes, they do matter from the cost to kill aspect.

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Yep, the reason that the F-15, F-16, F-18 and F-22 all have a 20mm Gatling gun.

https://www.gd-ots.com/armaments/aircraft-guns-gun-systems/f-15e/

https://www.gd-ots.com/armaments/aircraft-guns-gun-systems/f-16/

https://www.gd-ots.com/armaments/aircraft-guns-gun-systems/f18-ef/

https://www.gd-ots.com/armaments/aircraft-guns-gun-systems/f22/

The F-35 uses a 25 mm Gatling gun.

https://www.gd-ots.com/armaments/aircraft-guns-gun-systems/gau22a/

Re: F-16 to Get Avionics Upgrade [Re: edyvw] #5285040 12/04/19 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by edyvw

The issue I see it is between US and Israel. Israel got those F16's as part of security assistance, but it is trying to make a buck now. Upgrades on those planes were also part of security assistance. I do not think that has to do anything with Croatian behavior or hugging Russia, but it should. They got 15 Kiowa's and 2 Blackhawks at the same time as security assistance.


Yes...thats show "for a public".......

Unofficially: https://borutsuklje.com/2019/01/11/predsednika-ki-sta-spregledala-ameriska-opozorila/

Croats are in a border/land conflict with every single country they border with.....additionally every now and then some general or military veteran go out public with some inappropriate comment about "how their army can and will" flaten their neighbours.... smile

Luda kuča smile

If there would be a conflict in Balkans again.....it had to be because of Croats (or Erdogan maybe???)

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Re: F-16 to Get Avionics Upgrade [Re: MolaKule] #5285090 12/04/19 03:28 PM
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Not to change the subject but I’m surprised with the age of the F-16 the Air Force could not get more F-22.

Lots of old F-16 sitting out in the dessert at Davis Monthan AFB.

Re: F-16 to Get Avionics Upgrade [Re: Mr Nice] #5285524 12/05/19 01:50 AM
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Not to change the subject but I’m surprised with the age of the F-16 the Air Force could not get more F-22.


The F-35 program starting up killed the F-22. Not enough military funding for both. And some people making the big program decisions believed the F-35 would be cheaper per copy than the F-22.

Re: F-16 to Get Avionics Upgrade [Re: Snagglefoot] #5287797 12/07/19 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Snagglefoot
With all due respect, will dog fights matter any more? AAM weapon systems will take of that problem.


Guns will always matter because of distance... far away it don't take a whole lot to fire and forget your AAM weapon whereas up close a respect kill is one where you out fly your opponent and they hit the chute...[Linked Image]

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Re: F-16 to Get Avionics Upgrade [Re: MolaKule] #5288178 12/07/19 11:26 PM
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The F-16V and the proposed new advanced variant, the F-21, have plenty of potential operators in the world. Probably not the US, but maybe India. NATO members who cannot afford a fifth generation fighter, like Canada (who is not looking at the F-21), may be happy to obtain a 4++ generation model.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34Q36Z2_V90

Re: F-16 to Get Avionics Upgrade [Re: Snagglefoot] #5288303 12/08/19 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Snagglefoot
Canada is flying 92 F-16’s including 18 we picked up at a used jet-lot in Australia. Plans are to go at least another 12 years. Not sure if they get the full on upgrades. laugh


No, Canada is flying the F/A-18. Twin engine. Twin tail. Built for the USN, and Canada, Switzerland, and others bought them.

Not even close to the same airplane.

Canada’s Hornets have been upgraded in some areas, and lag behind the USN/USMC Hornets in others.

There are more Hornets at the used-jet lot here because the USN just retired the last of the F/A-18 A/B/C/D models and has an all Super Hornet fleet consisting of the F/A-18 E/F airplanes.

Australia bought the Super Hornet. It’s been in consideration by Canada as well.


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Re: F-16 to Get Avionics Upgrade [Re: Snagglefoot] #5288305 12/08/19 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Snagglefoot
With all due respect, will dog fights matter any more? AAM weapon systems will take of that problem.


Said the pundits in 1962 when the F-4 Phantom brought all weather, long range, all aspect air to air missiles into fighter aviation.

Ten years later, the gun was added into the airframe.


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