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Re: Pricing of synthetic oil [Re: carviewsonic] #5284370 12/03/19 07:20 PM
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...this is why I work in sales. Ole PT Barnum was on to something wink

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Re: Pricing of synthetic oil [Re: Triple_Se7en] #5284384 12/03/19 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Triple_Se7en
When verbage I need is missing on the label, I put the label back on the store shelf and reach for a product with the needed verbage. Those oil certs without attached verbage is a recipe for subpar longetivity. I keep my vehicles from birth to old age junkyard burials. They were all driven to the junkyard 18-19 years later. Thank you major brands for getting those badly rusted vehicles to their last destinations.

Maybe Warren will send you-out a tow truck to get yours in 18-19 more years..... oops, I mean 13-14 more years


LOL, dude the last time you made this argument it didn’t go well for you. You want to do it again?

Re: Pricing of synthetic oil [Re: Triple_Se7en] #5284442 12/03/19 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Triple_Se7en


Maybe Warren will send you-out a tow truck to get yours in 18-19 more years..... oops, I mean 13-14 more years


Lots of Supertech fed engines are still on the road at 18-19 yrs and not in a junk yard. My Suburban will be turning 18 next month. Well over half of its 277k have been on ST conv 5w 30 with 6k intervals.

Re: Pricing of synthetic oil [Re: carviewsonic] #5284491 12/03/19 09:57 PM
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There's benefits to boutique oils other than just wear protection. I switched from Mobil 1 5w-30 to Driven LS30 5w-30 in an old 289 SBF and the idle increased by 60 rpm. I actually had to bump the idle screw on the carb to bring the idle back down to 700 rpm. That's because of the much lower friction coefficient. I've found oils that contain high amounts of MoDTC and other Moly-based friction reducers (600+ ppm) have worked very well at quietening the dreaded piston slap noise from the LS-based engines. Granted it's not a noise to be concerned about, but it's still annoying. I've found higher end oils to operate at lower temperatures (as much as 10*F cooler) compared to generic API synthetics which I'm sure is a result of a lower friction coefficient and better ability to shed heat. The extremely low NOACK (<6%) of the high end oils helps keep down oil consumption and helps keep carbon deposits out of the intake, ports, and chambers. The higher end PAO/POE synthetics resist aeration and foaming better as well (more of a concern in the racing industry, but still a plus). With more effective anti-oxidants, and base oils that are naturally more resistant to oxidation, longer oil change intervals are easily achieved.

API / ILSAC, while being a decent bare bones minimum for oil performance, is heavily restricted due to emissions concerns. Limits to phosphorus and sulfur greatly limit the oil's performance. That's not something that interests me. That's why I use oils from companies like High Performance Lubricants and Driven.

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Re: Pricing of synthetic oil [Re: carviewsonic] #5284500 12/03/19 10:14 PM
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Show me a spec...and I’ll believe. No spec...it’s marketing to me plain and simple.


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Re: Pricing of synthetic oil [Re: RDY4WAR] #5284502 12/03/19 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by RDY4WAR
There's benefits to boutique oils other than just wear protection. I switched from Mobil 1 5w-30 to Driven LS30 5w-30 in an old 289 SBF and the idle increased by 60 rpm. I actually had to bump the idle screw on the carb to bring the idle back down to 700 rpm. That's because of the much lower friction coefficient. I've found oils that contain high amounts of MoDTC and other Moly-based friction reducers (600+ ppm) have worked very well at quietening the dreaded piston slap noise from the LS-based engines. Granted it's not a noise to be concerned about, but it's still annoying. I've found higher end oils to operate at lower temperatures (as much as 10*F cooler) compared to generic API synthetics which I'm sure is a result of a lower friction coefficient and better ability to shed heat. The extremely low NOACK (<6%) of the high end oils helps keep down oil consumption and helps keep carbon deposits out of the intake, ports, and chambers. The higher end PAO/POE synthetics resist aeration and foaming better as well (more of a concern in the racing industry, but still a plus). With more effective anti-oxidants, and base oils that are naturally more resistant to oxidation, longer oil change intervals are easily achieved.

API / ILSAC, while being a decent bare bones minimum for oil performance, is heavily restricted due to emissions concerns. Limits to phosphorus and sulfur greatly limit the oil's performance. That's not something that interests me. That's why I use oils from companies like High Performance Lubricants and Driven.


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Re: Pricing of synthetic oil [Re: carviewsonic] #5284504 12/03/19 10:21 PM
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I dont disagree either...I use a spec other than what my vehicles specify but it’s a verifiable non brand specific spec. In my case I really prefer mb 229.5 as I put my vehicles through some high stress operation.

In my built v8s both na and force inducted I typically ran 15w40 hdeo’s as I saw higher oil temps. Same same in my OPE and ATVs

I will say that I’m pretty intrigued by the d1g2 30wts though

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Re: Pricing of synthetic oil [Re: Doublehaul] #5285023 12/04/19 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Doublehaul
Any more your not cutting corners. Cheap oil with the same certs does just as well as expensive oil with the same certs. This is not the 70s. Oil is a regulated commodity like it or not.

Marketing is just that...makes you spend more and feel good doing it.

Tig...do you honestly feel Mobil 1 is the only oil capable of 10k ocis in non-demanding port injected engines?

I run Mobil1...but it’s the cheapest MB229.5 I can find!

*While all oils which state D1 / Gen 2 certs should meet them - a number of D1 / Gen 2 certified oils differ by how much they exceed the D1 / Gen 2 specifications - such as cleaning power , having lower NOACK , temperature range , increased additives , etc.over the basic "It meets D1 / Gen 2 certs" oils .


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