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Re: Rislone Quiets Lifter Tick. What Oil Now? [Re: burla] #5283489 12/02/19 10:26 PM
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It is not a EP additive....

Ask one of our smartest and best people on this site.. who is by the way a oil formulator himself.... And teaches at a college in Iowa.. Molybdenum is a friction modifier...


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Re: Rislone Quiets Lifter Tick. What Oil Now? [Re: bbhero] #5283490 12/02/19 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by bbhero

Molybdenum is a friction modifier though... Not a EP additive.

You sure about that?

EP Additives

"Common examples of Extreme Pressure additives are molybdenum disulfide, graphite, sulfurized olefins and dialkyldithiocarbamate complexes"

EP additives 2

"Some of the EP additives are:

Dark inactive sulfurized fat
Dark active sulfurized fat
Dark active sulfur hydrocarbon
Short and medium chain chlorinated alkanes (see chlorinated hydrocarbons and chlorinated paraffins)
Esters of chlorendic acid
Polymer esters
Polysulfides
Molybdenum compounds"

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Re: Rislone Quiets Lifter Tick. What Oil Now? [Re: Mad_Hatter] #5283495 12/02/19 10:27 PM
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Read what I said above.... Molacule on here clearly has stated it is a friction modifier... I think I would trust a real oil formulator...


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Re: Rislone Quiets Lifter Tick. What Oil Now? [Re: bbhero] #5283497 12/02/19 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by bbhero
Read what I said above.... Molacule on here clearly has stated it is a friction modifier... I think I would trust a real oil formulator...

Then you should email Nye Lubricants and tell them to fix their website. Now you have me wondering why molybdenum is used in EP grease?

Chevron EP Moly Grease - literally calls out MoS2 as an EP additive.

Fwiw, I *think* a large group of additives fall under "Friction Modifier"... whereas "EP" is the type. So it's not exclusive of one another.

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Re: Rislone Quiets Lifter Tick. What Oil Now? [Re: Mad_Hatter] #5283501 12/02/19 10:34 PM
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Ahh it's a frickin friction modifier champ....

MoDTC is a friction modifier... Maybe more specific is what is needed here... MoDTC... Friction modifier..


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Re: Rislone Quiets Lifter Tick. What Oil Now? [Re: bbhero] #5283504 12/02/19 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by bbhero
Ahh it's a frickin friction modifier champ....

MoDTC is a friction modifier... Maybe more specific is what is needed here... MoDTC... Friction modifier..

Do your homework "chump".. it's an EP additive. And after you call Nye Lubricants to tell them to fix their website language, call Chevron and tell them likewise.

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Re: Rislone Quiets Lifter Tick. What Oil Now? [Re: Mad_Hatter] #5283507 12/02/19 10:43 PM
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No it's not hoss....

Let's ask a REAL person who formulates oils... Like that person on here....


Who has clearly stated.... MoDTC is a friction modifier...

Look up what he has a about it...

Do your reading... Instead of a stupid Google search in 5 seconds...

I'd trust Molakule over a champion like you doing a 5 second Google search... Who just wants to argue... And yet a Google search is not really all that trust worthy...

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Re: Rislone Quiets Lifter Tick. What Oil Now? [Re: walterjay] #5283509 12/02/19 10:45 PM
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It's cool guys, just clear it up. If the moly has sulfur, it would be EP.

Re: Rislone Quiets Lifter Tick. What Oil Now? [Re: bbhero] #5283510 12/02/19 10:46 PM
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Originally Posted by bbhero
No it's not hoss....

Let's ask a REAL person who formulates oils... Like that person on here....


Who has clearly stated.... MoDTC is a friction modifier...

Look up what he has a about it...

Do your reading... Instead of a stupid Google search in 5 seconds...

I'd trust Molakule over a champion like you doing a 5 second Google search... Who just wants to argue... And yet a Google search is not really all that trust worthy...

Did you even read any of the links I provided? In particular, did you read the PDS from Chevron where it states in no uncertain terms that molybdenum is an EP additive?..But hey.. what would they know. You do you hoss..but me, I'm going with Chevron.😉

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Re: Rislone Quiets Lifter Tick. What Oil Now? [Re: burla] #5283512 12/02/19 10:47 PM
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Ok that well makes sense^^^^


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Re: Rislone Quiets Lifter Tick. What Oil Now? [Re: walterjay] #5283515 12/02/19 10:50 PM
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This from science direct,

The extreme pressure additives are sulfured compounds, chlorinated compounds and phosphorus-sulfur derivatives

Re: Rislone Quiets Lifter Tick. What Oil Now? [Re: Mad_Hatter] #5283516 12/02/19 10:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Mad_Hatter
Originally Posted by bbhero
No it's not hoss....

Let's ask a REAL person who formulates oils... Like that person on here....


Who has clearly stated.... MoDTC is a friction modifier...

Look up what he has a about it...

Do your reading... Instead of a stupid Google search in 5 seconds...

I'd trust Molakule over a champion like you doing a 5 second Google search... Who just wants to argue... And yet a Google search is not really all that trust worthy...

Did you even read any of the links I provided? In particular, did you read the PDS from Chevron where it states in no uncertain terms that molybdenum is an EP additive?

But hey.. what would they know. You do you..but me, I'm going with Chevron.😉



Hey instead of your Google skillz...

How about reading what a REAL person who actually makes oils states what MoDTC actually does...
Friction modifier...

Now... Given what burla just stated.... There are many different compounds.... And that molybdenum could be a part of that... I can agree with you on that...

MoDTC actually is a friction modifier in it's application in our oils...


By the way....

I do like Chevron LOL



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Re: Rislone Quiets Lifter Tick. What Oil Now? [Re: bbhero] #5283517 12/02/19 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by bbhero
Ok that well makes sense^^^^


i've shown you numerous examples in support of molybdenum compounds being an EP additive yet you persist in believing something else...you're entitled to your opinion but you're not entitled to your own set of facts.

Re: Rislone Quiets Lifter Tick. What Oil Now? [Re: Mad_Hatter] #5283519 12/02/19 10:55 PM
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The fact is...

MoDTC is used as a FRICTION modifier....


Whether you like it or not...

Again... Read what someone who blends oils himself calls that... And this person teaches at a University....

Again... What burla has brought in... Makes sense....

Molybdenum being used in conjunction with other compounds would be a different deal... And I agree with you on that....


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Re: Rislone Quiets Lifter Tick. What Oil Now? [Re: bbhero] #5283521 12/02/19 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by bbhero

MoDTC actually is a friction modifier in it's application in our oils...

By the way....

I do like Chevron LOL

I like Chevron too but here's another article/research paper calling out MoDTC as an EP...so should I believe they're wrong too?

MoDTC - EP Additive

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