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Re: Ceratec and Mos2 Discussion [Re: DrDanger] #5280010 11/28/19 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by DrDanger
Oil is getting swooshed in the pan. Sometimes more violent than others. Oil pressure was not the right word.


Look up windage tray, it is there to prevent the exact thing you mention. Small OPE engines and some old engines from the 30's and 40's that use dippers will have more turbulence in the crankcase.
Once the MoS2 has settled it does not come out with the next oil change, it builds up on the bottom of the pan.


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Re: Ceratec and Mos2 Discussion [Re: Trav] #5280047 11/28/19 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Trav
Originally Posted by DrDanger
Oil is getting swooshed in the pan. Sometimes more violent than others. Oil pressure was not the right word.


Look up windage tray, it is there to prevent the exact thing you mention. Small OPE engines and some old engines from the 30's and 40's that use dippers will have more turbulence in the crankcase.
Once the MoS2 has settled it does not come out with the next oil change, it builds up on the bottom of the pan.


Looked up windage trays. Some cars have them, some dont.
Looks like it is model dependent. How would the moly get out with an oil change if it is not carried/suspended by the oil.
Check the UOA on the previous page - moly seems in suspension.

Happy Thanksgiving!

Re: Ceratec and Mos2 Discussion [Re: DV0993] #5280077 11/28/19 11:36 PM
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Seems like it comes down to...LM M0S2 is ok for daily driver since it won't fall out of suspension. LM M0S2 is a no go for vehicles that sit for weeks or months on end.

Lubeguard Biotech if concerned at all about falling out of suspension or desire the different formulation.

I've used both in daily drivers with no repercussions. I stress my experience is with daily drivers only.

Good info as always on BITOG!



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Re: Ceratec and Mos2 Discussion [Re: DrDanger] #5280117 11/29/19 04:24 AM
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Originally Posted by DrDanger
Originally Posted by Trav
Originally Posted by DrDanger
Oil is getting swooshed in the pan. Sometimes more violent than others. Oil pressure was not the right word.


Look up windage tray, it is there to prevent the exact thing you mention. Small OPE engines and some old engines from the 30's and 40's that use dippers will have more turbulence in the crankcase.
Once the MoS2 has settled it does not come out with the next oil change, it builds up on the bottom of the pan.


Looked up windage trays. Some cars have them, some dont.
Looks like it is model dependent. How would the moly get out with an oil change if it is not carried/suspended by the oil.
Check the UOA on the previous page - moly seems in suspension.

Happy Thanksgiving!

The point is not all of it stays in suspension, what falls out stays out and collects and remains in the bottom of the pan. The longer you use the product eg: [add a bottle at each OCI] the more it will collect in the bottom of the pan in vehicles that aren't driven everyday.


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Re: Ceratec and Mos2 Discussion [Re: DrDanger] #5280532 11/29/19 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by DrDanger
Originally Posted by Trav
Originally Posted by DrDanger
Oil is getting swooshed in the pan. Sometimes more violent than others. Oil pressure was not the right word.


Look up windage tray, it is there to prevent the exact thing you mention. Small OPE engines and some old engines from the 30's and 40's that use dippers will have more turbulence in the crankcase.
Once the MoS2 has settled it does not come out with the next oil change, it builds up on the bottom of the pan.


Looked up windage trays. Some cars have them, some dont.
Looks like it is model dependent. How would the moly get out with an oil change if it is not carried/suspended by the oil.
Check the UOA on the previous page - moly seems in suspension.

Happy Thanksgiving!


Sometimes the gasket itself is acting as a windage tray. the point is without something to prevent turbulence from the pistons aeration can become an issue with dire consequences.


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Re: Ceratec and Mos2 Discussion [Re: OS4A] #5280631 11/29/19 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by OS4A
Seems like it comes down to...LM M0S2 is ok for daily driver since it won't fall out of suspension. LM M0S2 is a no go for vehicles that sit for weeks or months on end.

Lubeguard Biotech if concerned at all about falling out of suspension or desire the different formulation.

I've used both in daily drivers with no repercussions. I stress my experience is with daily drivers only.

Good info as always on BITOG!



Yes, can agree with that!

Re: Ceratec and Mos2 Discussion [Re: DV0993] #5281317 11/30/19 04:42 PM
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Would not use any of these products in any engine which has VVT.

These systems typically contain fine mesh screens to filter out small solids.

In addition I've yet to come across a compelling reason to use these products. Maybe 30+ years ago. After all has LM ever provided any studies on the effectiveness of these products in a modern engine?

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Re: Ceratec and Mos2 Discussion [Re: DV0993] #5281856 12/01/19 10:40 AM
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According to BITOG...MoS2 (and MoDTC & Mo.... Even more?) has beneficial effects on (valve) chains...

Thats why I am using Motul gearoil with MoS2 in my transmission case...and a tad of LM in oil of my yaris...


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Re: Ceratec and Mos2 Discussion [Re: Kamele0N] #5282685 12/02/19 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Kamele0N
According to BITOG...MoS2 (and MoDTC & Mo.... Even more?) has beneficial effects on (valve) chains...

Thats why I am using Motul gearoil with MoS2 in my transmission case...and a tad of LM in oil of my yaris...
MoS2 should NOT be used in a manual transmission. It will cause the syncros to become non-functional. Get it out of there ASAP!

Re: Ceratec and Mos2 Discussion [Re: DV0993] #5282698 12/02/19 08:57 AM
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Tnx...I know that...

I meant transfer case...sorry "my misteyka"...wanted to say" in my tranny".....but that (could) sound so...odd smile


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Re: Ceratec and Mos2 Discussion [Re: DV0993] #5344650 02/08/20 01:12 PM
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Ceratec last change and it's supposed to be good for 30k. Will go MoS2 this time around.

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Re: Ceratec and Mos2 Discussion [Re: DV0993] #5356171 02/21/20 03:19 AM
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Re moly falling out of suspension;

My hunnch is that gravity will pull the particles to the bottom of the sump pan. Incidentally, the oil pick up is located at the bottom of the sump pan! Further, the bottom of the majority of sump pand is not flat but angled toward the pickup (and drain plug, theyre usually close to one another.)

as the pickup sucks up oil from the bottom of the pan, what mechanism do we assume to be at work to keep the moly seperate from the oil? how does the pickup differentiate and choose what it picks up?

lastly, why does oil retain the silver colour of mos2 if it has all fallen to the bottom of the pan? what dye or colourant is in use?

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Originally Posted by Olas
Re moly falling out of suspension;

My hunnch is that gravity will pull the particles to the bottom of the sump pan. Incidentally, the oil pick up is located at the bottom of the sump pan! Further, the bottom of the majority of sump pand is not flat but angled toward the pickup (and drain plug, theyre usually close to one another.)

as the pickup sucks up oil from the bottom of the pan, what mechanism do we assume to be at work to keep the moly seperate from the oil? how does the pickup differentiate and choose what it picks up?

lastly, why does oil retain the silver colour of mos2 if it has all fallen to the bottom of the pan? what dye or colourant is in use?


If you haven't seen pictures of MoS2 collected at the bottom of an oil pan, PM Trav. His pictures ended several members from using the product, especially in vehicles that aren't driven everyday. He had similar observations with Ceratec in a compressor.


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Re: Ceratec and Mos2 Discussion [Re: DV0993] #5356213 02/21/20 06:16 AM
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No thanks, the oil is fine the way it is. I've tried various additives and nothing seems to actually do anything beyond wasting money.


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You may as well open the window and throw the money out into the wind, same effect. Lighter wallet nothing more.


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