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Re: CR: LED Headlights vs Halogen Headlights [Re: SubLGT] #5282445 12/01/19 09:51 PM
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I like the LED lights as well. Mine are auto leveling and swivel on turns. The light is clear and bright.


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Re: CR: LED Headlights vs Halogen Headlights [Re: rooflessVW] #5282449 12/01/19 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by rooflessVW
Well then stay in the past.

I'm quite happy with my LED lighting, and I don't anticipate any trouble from them. If they fail, I will repair them.


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Re: CR: LED Headlights vs Halogen Headlights [Re: SubLGT] #5282457 12/01/19 10:12 PM
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I have had Halogen and have HID now, both completely useless in terms of functional downroad lighting. Swapped to a set of cheap Amazon LEDs and the difference was big. I know someone with a new Corolla and the difference is nothing short of remarkable. LEDs should have a much longer lifespan as well, ive had halogens go out on numerous occassions under 6 months.


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Re: CR: LED Headlights vs Halogen Headlights [Re: SubLGT] #5282506 12/02/19 12:01 AM
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What type of headlight the vehicle's got is more important.

Reflector type is worse.

Many LED stripe headlight is not that great.

But a true projectors will light you a nice and even coverage.

Re: CR: LED Headlights vs Halogen Headlights [Re: rooflessVW] #5282508 12/02/19 12:08 AM
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Originally Posted by rooflessVW
LED headlamps are the new norm and thus, are / will be repairable.

Bake the light, remove the lens, change the LED, and seal it back up. Only those that can't DIY will pay the big bucks, same as it is now.

High dollar headlights are nothing new. HIDs have been self leveling since their inception - ever price out one of those?



My HIDs are $200 plus tax.... From AAP and AZ...

Dealership $420 plus tax...


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Re: CR: LED Headlights vs Halogen Headlights [Re: eljefino] #5282524 12/02/19 12:55 AM
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Originally Posted by eljefino
Cars need reflector size. You can't fake optics. Pretty much all headlights take a backseat to style and aero considerations.

My 1st generation saturn had the best (halogen) "Guide" headlights I've ever had in any car.


Huh??

Out of those 4 sentences, I only understand 1 of them (2nd one). I can read the words in the other sentences, but putting them together to express thoughts/facts/etc fails for me.

Maybe I’m about to have a stroke or something


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Re: CR: LED Headlights vs Halogen Headlights [Re: The_Nuke] #5282532 12/02/19 01:38 AM
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Originally Posted by The_Nuke
Originally Posted by eljefino
Cars need reflector size. You can't fake optics. Pretty much all headlights take a backseat to style and aero considerations.

My 1st generation saturn had the best (halogen) "Guide" headlights I've ever had in any car.


Huh??

Out of those 4 sentences, I only understand 1 of them (2nd one). I can read the words in the other sentences, but putting them together to express thoughts/facts/etc fails for me.

Maybe I’m about to have a stroke or something


His points were:

1) Reflector size is important for headlamp performance. True.

2) Headlamp performance is often ignored in favor of styling and aerodynamic/fuel economy concerns. True.

3) He feels that his Saturn (which model?), which had lamps made by a division of GM (later turned independent company) called "Guide Light," were really good.

Re: CR: LED Headlights vs Halogen Headlights [Re: SubLGT] #5282552 12/02/19 04:29 AM
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When I read articles comparing headlights, I very rarely see mentioned this little tidbit that I've observed. Black roads, wet roads; night or day but night is worse. The road soaks up the light.

I own a Lexus with the Bi-Xenon HID's, a Lexus with the LED's, and an older halogen Lexus. The LED and Xenon are "whiter" than the halogens and brighter with the LED's being the whitest and cutoff much more sharp than the xenons. However, when driving either the LED or Xenon vehicles on a black road or wet road, the light gets soaked up into the road making it incredibly difficult to see. Something about the white light soaks into the road. The halogen being more yellow doesn't have this issue.

Re: CR: LED Headlights vs Halogen Headlights [Re: bbhero] #5282557 12/02/19 05:01 AM
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LED headlamps are the new norm and thus, are / will be repairable.

Bake the light, remove the lens, change the LED, and seal it back up. Only those that can't DIY will pay the big bucks, same as it is now.

High dollar headlights are nothing new. HIDs have been self leveling since their inception - ever price out one of those?



My HIDs are $200 plus tax.... From AAP and AZ...

Dealership $420 plus tax...

For bulbs. Not the leveling assembly and housing.


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Re: CR: LED Headlights vs Halogen Headlights [Re: rooflessVW] #5282583 12/02/19 06:26 AM
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Originally Posted by rooflessVW
Well then stay in the past.

I'm quite happy with my LED lighting, and I don't anticipate any trouble from them. If they fail, I will repair them.


Who are we kidding? Sealed beam halogens were clearly the best since you just replace the whole thing. LOL


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"...“We’ve found that with LEDs and HIDs, manufacturers are having a hard time balancing casting enough light down the road without causing glare to oncoming drivers because of their intensity,”


Definitely true. It's why a lot of newcomers to HID/LED complain about the short throw of their lights.


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Originally Posted by rooflessVW
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Originally Posted by rooflessVW
LED headlamps are the new norm and thus, are / will be repairable.

Bake the light, remove the lens, change the LED, and seal it back up. Only those that can't DIY will pay the big bucks, same as it is now.

High dollar headlights are nothing new. HIDs have been self leveling since their inception - ever price out one of those?



My HIDs are $200 plus tax.... From AAP and AZ...

Dealership $420 plus tax...

For bulbs. Not the leveling assembly and housing.



Ahh yeah... No doubt... The housing for my car $800 a piece...


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Originally Posted by rooflessVW
LED headlamps are the new norm and thus, are / will be repairable.
Bake the light, remove the lens, change the LED, and seal it back up. Only those that can't DIY will pay the big bucks, same as it is now.
High dollar headlights are nothing new. HIDs have been self leveling since their inception - ever price out one of those?


Oh I'm sure the aftermarket will eventually come up with solutions especially for the highest volume cars. But it'll be a $300 set of replacement aftermarket assemblies. As there's most likely not a lot of repair shops nor customers who can wait 3-4 days for their headlights to be removed, overnight-couriered to a refurbishment facility, and couriered back. Given that plastics are used, which are subject to road and UV damage (even better current-generation plastics), its not very likely that customers will accept the traditional paradigm of receiving someone's refurbished core and sending back a core for refurbishment.

Plus its just one more item on the car that will accelerate losses on the car if there's an accident.


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Re: CR: LED Headlights vs Halogen Headlights [Re: rooflessVW] #5283929 12/03/19 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by rooflessVW
Well then stay in the past.

I'm quite happy with my LED lighting, and I don't anticipate any trouble from them. If they fail, I will repair them.

Fair enough. I've never priced out these more fancy light options; then again, I've avoided them so far. I buy cheap cars and as a result, the parts seem to stay cheap. smile


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in our headlight tests, we’ve seen that neither LED nor HID low-beam headlights consistently illuminate more of the road ahead than halogens do. The poorer performers among all headlight types don’t reach the 300-foot mark.


Like the article mentions this is partly or all due to the leveling of LED and HID lights. In "low beam" or normal lights, there is a sharp cutoff to prevent blinding other drivers. The light output in projector LED and HID lights must be far superior to halogens (espesically reflector housings). But due to that sharp cutoff it seems like the lights don't go as far in low beam form. At the same time a halogen that casts light further in low beam form would almost have to be blinding oncoming drivers. So its always going to be a balance. I know which I'd rather have when I switch the high beams on though - HID or LED.


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