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Re: Most Reliable Cars of 2020 [Re: edyvw] #5278952 11/27/19 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by edyvw

So, where we can go and buy LC70?

The Jeep Wrangler TJ with the 4l engine is an American equivalent.
I think it's still produced in China.

It's the 4l engine that brought Jeeps a reputation of super reliable vehicles.
Of course, it was replaced by a 2l engine in the current model.
Now the Wrangles is in the Consumer Report's list of the most unreliable vehicles.

Re: Most Reliable Cars of 2020 [Re: Vincenze] #5278953 11/27/19 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Vincenze
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An expert on DI valve deposits who knows nothing about the walnut blasting procedure; interesting.
Out of those 250 pages, please cite the posts where Miata owners report having to rebuild their engines at 100k miles.

Yes, I don't buy DI engines, why would I need additional problems and know how to fix them?
For me, it's not a big problem to take out an engine head, disassemble it, and clean valves and passages thoroughly.
It's difficult to clean deposits even when you have a valve in your hands. I can't imagine how you can clean it inside of the head with all deposits flowing inside of the engine.

Here is a topic with a list of blown Miata engines of some forum users.
Though, it says that the engines were just thrown away, not rebuilt.
https://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=508225






Valve deposits are cleaned when the valve(s) in question are closed. Unless the valve has leakage past the seat (a bigger issue), nothing gets into the CC.

As for Al block engines not being rebuildable, I've built and rebuilt too many Al block engines to even begin to recall them all.

Re: Most Reliable Cars of 2020 [Re: MCompact] #5278968 11/27/19 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by MCompact


Does someone have a four facepalm meme?


Do you want to say that if a Miata had a refined iron-block I6 engine from the 90s, it would be less reliable than the current aluminum one with DI and other ecological stuff?

I read that Mazda develops a new engine for the next Miata that works like a diesel. It will be economical, but will it be reliable?



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Re: Most Reliable Cars of 2020 [Re: Vincenze] #5279094 11/27/19 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Vincenze
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Does someone have a four facepalm meme?


Do you want to say that if a Miata had a refined iron-block I6 engine from the 90s, it would be less reliable than the current aluminum one with DI and other ecological stuff?

I read that Mazda develops a new engine for the next Miata that works like a diesel. It will be economical, but will it be reliable?






That engine is not for the MX5 but will be used in their current Mazda3. It’s already available in Europe.

Why the hangup on iron blocks vs aluminum? Automakers have been using aluminum for many years now. It’s not new.

Next thing you’ll gripe on is that Mazda engines are cast and assembled for the most part by robots.


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Re: Most Reliable Cars of 2020 [Re: PimTac] #5279099 11/27/19 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by PimTac
Originally Posted by Vincenze

Do you want to say that if a Miata had a refined iron-block I6 engine from the 90s, it would be less reliable than the current aluminum one with DI and other ecological stuff?

I read that Mazda develops a new engine for the next Miata that works like a diesel. It will be economical, but will it be reliable?






That engine is not for the MX5 but will be used in their current Mazda3. It’s already available in Europe.

Why the hangup on iron blocks vs aluminum? Automakers have been using aluminum for many years now. It’s not new.

Next thing you’ll gripe on is that Mazda engines are cast and assembled for the most part by robots.


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Re: Most Reliable Cars of 2020 [Re: Vincenze] #5279742 11/28/19 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Vincenze
Originally Posted by edyvw

So, where we can go and buy LC70?

The Jeep Wrangler TJ with the 4l engine is an American equivalent.
I think it's still produced in China.

It's the 4l engine that brought Jeeps a reputation of super reliable vehicles.
Of course, it was replaced by a 2l engine in the current model.
Now the Wrangles is in the Consumer Report's list of the most unreliable vehicles.

What? What this has to do with my question how this relates to this article and "world"
It seems you have no clue what you talking about, period.


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Re: Most Reliable Cars of 2020 [Re: 02SE] #5279743 11/28/19 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by 02SE
Originally Posted by Vincenze
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An expert on DI valve deposits who knows nothing about the walnut blasting procedure; interesting.
Out of those 250 pages, please cite the posts where Miata owners report having to rebuild their engines at 100k miles.

Yes, I don't buy DI engines, why would I need additional problems and know how to fix them?
For me, it's not a big problem to take out an engine head, disassemble it, and clean valves and passages thoroughly.
It's difficult to clean deposits even when you have a valve in your hands. I can't imagine how you can clean it inside of the head with all deposits flowing inside of the engine.

Here is a topic with a list of blown Miata engines of some forum users.
Though, it says that the engines were just thrown away, not rebuilt.
https://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=508225






Valve deposits are cleaned when the valve(s) in question are closed. Unless the valve has leakage past the seat (a bigger issue), nothing gets into the CC.

As for Al block engines not being rebuildable, I've built and rebuilt too many Al block engines to even begin to recall them all.

It not reaching to him. Just give up.


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Re: Most Reliable Cars of 2020 [Re: PimTac] #5279896 11/28/19 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by PimTac


That engine is not for the MX5 but will be used in their current Mazda3. It’s already available in Europe.

Why the hangup on iron blocks vs aluminum? Automakers have been using aluminum for many years now. It’s not new.

Next thing you’ll gripe on is that Mazda engines are cast and assembled for the most part by robots.

I'm just curious why the Miata ND is the most reliable vehicle.

Are there any reports, for example, that its engine can run over 300k miles?
I, for example, see many examples of old BMW cars over 250k miles with their original M30 and M50 engines. But many new BMW engines are unreliable.



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Originally Posted by Vincenze
Originally Posted by PimTac


That engine is not for the MX5 but will be used in their current Mazda3. It’s already available in Europe.

Why the hangup on iron blocks vs aluminum? Automakers have been using aluminum for many years now. It’s not new.

Next thing you’ll gripe on is that Mazda engines are cast and assembled for the most part by robots.

I'm just curious why the Miata ND is the most reliable vehicle.

Are there any reports, for example, that its engine can run over 300k miles?
I, for example, see many examples of old BMW cars over 250k miles with their original M30 and M50 engines. But many new BMW engines are unreliable.




I agree with you there. Miata seems like a random selection.


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Re: Most Reliable Cars of 2020 [Re: Vincenze] #5279952 11/28/19 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Vincenze
Originally Posted by PimTac


That engine is not for the MX5 but will be used in their current Mazda3. It’s already available in Europe.

Why the hangup on iron blocks vs aluminum? Automakers have been using aluminum for many years now. It’s not new.

Next thing you’ll gripe on is that Mazda engines are cast and assembled for the most part by robots.

I'm just curious why the Miata ND is the most reliable vehicle.

Are there any reports, for example, that its engine can run over 300k miles?
I, for example, see many examples of old BMW cars over 250k miles with their original M30 and M50 engines. But many new BMW engines are unreliable.






The Mazda SkyActiv engine’s have proven to be very reliable.


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Re: Most Reliable Cars of 2020 [Re: Vincenze] #5279988 11/28/19 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Vincenze
Originally Posted by MCompact



An expert on DI valve deposits who knows nothing about the walnut blasting procedure; interesting.
Out of those 250 pages, please cite the posts where Miata owners report having to rebuild their engines at 100k miles.

Yes, I don't buy DI engines, why would I need additional problems and know how to fix them?
For me, it's not a big problem to take out an engine head, disassemble it, and clean valves and passages thoroughly.
It's difficult to clean deposits even when you have a valve in your hands. I can't imagine how you can clean it inside of the head with all deposits flowing inside of the engine.

Here is a topic with a list of blown Miata engines of some forum users.
Though, it says that the engines were just thrown away, not rebuilt.
https://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=508225







Lol...I've owned DI engines since they first came out - no problems - not one!

Double lol...your link is to 10+ year old Miatas....

Pretty sure 2008 Miatas have nothing to do with 2020 Miatas! The current generation of Skyactiv engines are very reliable. I beat the crap out of one for 60K miles and know the current owner who has 105K miles on it and it runs like new....flawless.....I mean I REALLY beat the crap out of that engine just for [censored] and giggles.

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Re: Most Reliable Cars of 2020 [Re: Vincenze] #5282048 12/01/19 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Vincenze
Originally Posted by PimTac


That engine is not for the MX5 but will be used in their current Mazda3. It’s already available in Europe.

Why the hangup on iron blocks vs aluminum? Automakers have been using aluminum for many years now. It’s not new.

Next thing you’ll gripe on is that Mazda engines are cast and assembled for the most part by robots.

I'm just curious why the Miata ND is the most reliable vehicle.

Are there any reports, for example, that its engine can run over 300k miles?
I, for example, see many examples of old BMW cars over 250k miles with their original M30 and M50 engines. But many new BMW engines are unreliable.



Is that why Toyota buys BMW engines?


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Re: Most Reliable Cars of 2020 [Re: edyvw] #5282132 12/01/19 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by edyvw
Originally Posted by Vincenze
Originally Posted by PimTac


That engine is not for the MX5 but will be used in their current Mazda3. It’s already available in Europe.

Why the hangup on iron blocks vs aluminum? Automakers have been using aluminum for many years now. It’s not new.

Next thing you’ll gripe on is that Mazda engines are cast and assembled for the most part by robots.

I'm just curious why the Miata ND is the most reliable vehicle.

Are there any reports, for example, that its engine can run over 300k miles?
I, for example, see many examples of old BMW cars over 250k miles with their original M30 and M50 engines. But many new BMW engines are unreliable.



Is that why Toyota buys BMW engines?
And... BMW is buying engines manufactured in China by Loncin. I hate to break it to you edy, now days EVERYBODY is buying everything from small parts to complete engines and transmissions from everyone else. Both Toyota and BMW (as well as Mazda and everyone else) buy from a large number of common suppliers, including each other. It's all about the landed cost at a specified level of quality. It is the specified level of quality that gets many car manufacturers in trouble.

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Re: Most Reliable Cars of 2020 [Re: buster] #5282173 12/01/19 04:15 PM
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I thought Loncin was a motorcycle co.?


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Re: Most Reliable Cars of 2020 [Re: buster] #5282190 12/01/19 04:36 PM
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Next month Consumer Reports is releasing the most reliable cars for 2025.


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