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FRAM XG11665 [4,200 Miles] #5281079 11/30/19 12:13 PM
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I have performed 3 OCs on my Rublcon thus far:

800 miles changed OEM filter with XG11665 (this one)
2000 miles (did not change filter) (1,200 Miles on oil)
5000 miles (changed filter) (3,000 miles on oil and 4,200 miles on filter)

At the initial OC (800 miles), I also installed a Gold Plug magnetic drain plug. At the 2,000 mile OC, it was clean, but on this latest OC, it had quite a bit of metal on it (and I probably lost a little because the plug clung to the pan when I removed it).

The XG was twisted slightly and I have seen this on most filters for the 3.6L Pentastar, otherwise it was in good shape. I do wonder if the filters are a little too long OR if the oil filter cap is tightened a bit too much. I torqued mine to exactly 25nm this time (I did not torque the cap for the XG--but I did not "he-man" it tight either).

A Mahle filter and Castrol Edge replaced this filter and oil and I will be moving to a 5K OCI from this point forward.

Enjoy!

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Re: FRAM XG11665 [4,200 Miles] [Re: 2015_PSD] #5281081 11/30/19 12:20 PM
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The filter looks fine. My bet is the small O-ring bound slightly and the filter twisted a bit when you screwed the cap down. I torque mine to about 10' pounds, I think the manual says 18. I figured with oil on the cap threads and the two O-rings less is better. No leaks so far, and my filters come out with little to no twist.


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Re: FRAM XG11665 [4,200 Miles] [Re: 2015_PSD] #5281086 11/30/19 12:26 PM
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2015_PSD,

Could you cut the media from the body and look for metal flakes?

Re: FRAM XG11665 [4,200 Miles] [Re: 2015_PSD] #5281087 11/30/19 12:27 PM
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That sure is a long filter. shocked2


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Re: FRAM XG11665 [4,200 Miles] [Re: 2015_PSD] #5281100 11/30/19 12:52 PM
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I don't know if this is right, but I think so. The pleats are no longer in line from top to bottom, they are displaced from one another, which means one cap moved while the other was fixed. Don't know if this is an insert cartridge into the cap type, but if it is and isn't inserted all the way, twisting can occur. Or like has been said the oring is too tight. Don't know if too long would do this, maybe.

Re: FRAM XG11665 [4,200 Miles] [Re: 2015_PSD] #5281149 11/30/19 01:34 PM
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Thank you for posting thumbsup

That is terrible for such a short OCI on a mesh-backed filter crzy

Use the Wix XP/Napa Platinum. It uses wire-backed synthetic media, not plastic mesh like the Ultra smile

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Originally Posted by slacktide_bitog
Thank you for posting thumbsup

That is terrible for such a short OCI on a mesh-backed filter crzy

Use the Wix XP/Napa Platinum. It uses wire-backed synthetic media, not plastic mesh like the Ultra smile


Do they make a WIX XP for a canister filter enclosure?


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Re: FRAM XG11665 [4,200 Miles] [Re: wwillson] #5281242 11/30/19 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by wwillson
2015_PSD,

Could you cut the media from the body and look for metal flakes?

I opened nearly every pleat and did not see any metal flakes within.


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Re: FRAM XG11665 [4,200 Miles] [Re: Farnsworth] #5281246 11/30/19 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Farnsworth
I don't know if this is right, but I think so. The pleats are no longer in line from top to bottom, they are displaced from one another, which means one cap moved while the other was fixed. Don't know if this is an insert cartridge into the cap type, but if it is and isn't inserted all the way, twisting can occur. Or like has been said the oring is too tight. Don't know if too long would do this, maybe.

It is an insert the filter into the cap style, but it was fully inserted and the bottom o-ring "support" spins freely inside the filter (by design). I am at a loss why the twisting occurs, but it is even worse on a non-backed filter--as I am sure that I will see with the Mahle that I installed today.


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Re: FRAM XG11665 [4,200 Miles] [Re: slacktide_bitog] #5281247 11/30/19 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by slacktide_bitog
Thank you for posting thumbsup

That is terrible for such a short OCI on a mesh-backed filter crzy

Use the Wix XP/Napa Platinum. It uses wire-backed synthetic media, not plastic mesh like the Ultra smile
The efficiency of the WIX XP tends to steer me away from it. The good news is that I am settling on a 5K OCI, so hopefully, it will survive that.


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Re: FRAM XG11665 [4,200 Miles] [Re: 2015_PSD] #5281300 11/30/19 04:14 PM
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The twist acts like the "tornado" air intake gizmo ... helps increase the efficiency on an oil filter. LOL Thanks for the C&P.

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I think there is a little length difference in filters. I've had a 2017 Jeep Wrangler, my current 2018 RAM 1500 and current wife's 2019 Charger. All with 3.6's. I've used FRAM XG, Mobil1 and the Mopar ones. The FRAM XG is the only one that has never twisted. Both the Mobil1 & Mopar did, but not every time. ?????? I never counted the pleats on FRAM XG's, but the Mobil1's had 47-48 pleats and the Mopar's 57-59 pleats. I mark the cap with some paint "before" I take it off. When re-installing I put the marks back like they were. I never torque the cap. I have "never" changed the O-ring on any of these.
I have put some of these filters with the flat part down little tip with O-ring up. Some are a little longer, about 1/16th of an inch. The part that is longer is the base top & bottom of the filter, not the tip of it. I should've marked the longer ones to see if they are the ones that twisted. Maybe next time if I think about it.


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Re: FRAM XG11665 [4,200 Miles] [Re: 2015_PSD] #5281485 11/30/19 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by 2015_PSD
Originally Posted by wwillson
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Could you cut the media from the body and look for metal flakes?

I opened nearly every pleat and did not see any metal flakes within.

What I've found is you can't see the metal flakes until you pull the media tight in bright sunlight, then you can't believe how much metal you see. There are flakes on every media I cut and hold up in bright sunlight.

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Originally Posted by wwillson
... What I've found is you can't see the metal flakes until you pull the media tight in bright sunlight, then you can't believe how much metal you see. There are flakes on every media I cut and hold up in bright sunlight.
What sort of engine are your flakes coming from? Are they attracted to a magnet?
I rarely see any metal when I look that way.


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Re: FRAM XG11665 [4,200 Miles] [Re: 2015_PSD] #5281546 11/30/19 10:50 PM
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That filter is VERY long ... does that make it more likely to twist in the housing ? The filter looks good, aside from the slight twist .


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