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Re: Full Synthetic Oil made from Natural Gas [Re: sloinker] #5278264 11/26/19 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by sloinker
The larger question is what percentage of the whole is GTL in the bottle, is it something akin to semi-synthetics of yesteryear?

It would have to be the whole amount, or it would be deceptive advertising, IMO.

it says Ngas is the origin not crude. One nice benefit, it keeps engine internals cleaner.

Features & Benefits
Pennzoil Platinum® Euro LX 0W-30 Full Synthetic motor oil is made from natural gas, not crude. It is made with our PurePlus® Technology is a full synthetic motor oil that is formulated for most Mercedes-Benz, BMW, VW, Audi & Porsche Vehicles*. PurePlus® Technology converts pure natural gas into a base oil with lower friction, better low temperature properties and greater stability than conventional motor oil made from crude. Pennzoil Platinum® Euro Full Synthetic motor oil is formulated for most European vehicles. Can be used in both passenger car gasoline and light duty diesel applications. *Consult and follow your owner's manual. 1) Superior piston cleanliness up to 45% cleaner than the requirements of ACEA C2/C3 based on DV4TD vs. ACEA C2/C3 using SAE 0W-30. 2) 3% greater fuel economy in the VW PV1451 test. 3) Up to 4X better than API SN specification based on Sequence IVA vs. API SN using SAE 0W-30

Pennzoil is the first motor oil made from natural gas, not crude
Cleaner pistons1
Better fuel economy2
Protects horsepower
Unsurpassed wear protection3
Excellent performance in extreme temperatures

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Re: Full Synthetic Oil made from Natural Gas [Re: sdowney717] #5278267 11/26/19 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by sdowney717
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The larger question is what percentage of the whole is GTL in the bottle, is it something akin to semi-synthetics of yesteryear?
It would have to be the whole amount, or it would be deceptive advertising, IMO.

Deceptive as in do you mean the remainder is typical Group III or Group II or I? Or do you just mean what's written on the label?


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Re: Full Synthetic Oil made from Natural Gas [Re: kschachn] #5278276 11/26/19 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by kschachn
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Originally Posted by sloinker
The larger question is what percentage of the whole is GTL in the bottle, is it something akin to semi-synthetics of yesteryear?
It would have to be the whole amount, or it would be deceptive advertising, IMO.

Deceptive as in do you mean the remainder is typical Group III or Group II or I? Or do you just mean what's written on the label?


This is entirely made from Natural Gas not crude oil. There is no crude oil in this at all. I found a description of this oil and updated my prior post.

Re: Full Synthetic Oil made from Natural Gas [Re: sdowney717] #5278283 11/26/19 07:06 PM
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So is it a good oil that will last 8 to 10,000 miles?

Re: Full Synthetic Oil made from Natural Gas [Re: cb450sc] #5278364 11/26/19 08:36 PM
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So is it a good oil that will last 8 to 10,000 miles?

Depends on your drive cycle, vehicle type, in warranty, out of warranty, etc.

Need more details.

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Re: Full Synthetic Oil made from Natural Gas [Re: sdowney717] #5278414 11/26/19 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by sdowney717
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Originally Posted by sloinker
The larger question is what percentage of the whole is GTL in the bottle, is it something akin to semi-synthetics of yesteryear?
It would have to be the whole amount, or it would be deceptive advertising, IMO.

Deceptive as in do you mean the remainder is typical Group III or Group II or I? Or do you just mean what's written on the label?


This is entirely made from Natural Gas not crude oil. There is no crude oil in this at all. I found a description of this oil and updated my prior post.


Even the carrier oils for the additives are natural-gas derived?


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Re: Full Synthetic Oil made from Natural Gas [Re: sdowney717] #5278461 11/26/19 10:41 PM
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I'm not saying it isn't 100% GTL. I'm also not sure if it's only 10% GTL. Only Pennzoil knows.....


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Re: Full Synthetic Oil made from Natural Gas [Re: cb450sc] #5278501 11/27/19 12:34 AM
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Originally Posted by cb450sc
So is it a good oil that will last 8 to 10,000 miles?

We use this specification for 2 year/18k intervals in a lot of cars in the UK.


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Re: Full Synthetic Oil made from Natural Gas [Re: pitzel] #5278530 11/27/19 03:17 AM
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Originally Posted by pitzel
Even the carrier oils for the additives are natural-gas derived?


Almost certainly not. There will be some crude-derived substances in this oil, just not in the nominal base oils.
As mentioned above, it is a Group 3, like other group 3s. The only difference is the source of the input to the hydrocracker - in the case of the natural gas sourced stuff this has come from a Fischer-Tropsch reactor, which generates a waxy product that goes to the cracker. From crude, the waxy intermediary is refined from the crude oil and sent to the cracker. The output is essentially the same stuff.

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Re: Full Synthetic Oil made from Natural Gas [Re: weasley] #5278531 11/27/19 03:49 AM
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Re: Full Synthetic Oil made from Natural Gas [Re: sdowney717] #5278537 11/27/19 04:13 AM
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Originally Posted by sdowney717


Platinum Euro vs Platinum Euro LX is some of the AZ half priced oil I bought, what is the difference versus LX?


It’s probably SAPS (sulphated ash) level, which is a reflection of the metallic additives in the oil. Stuff like Ca and Mg detergent for TBN, and Zn & P from ZDDP anti wear additive. These are good for the engine & oil life but can negatively affect DPF and exhaust cat life.

The standard Euro will probably be a full-SAPS ACEA A3/B4 oil, while the LX is probably a mid-SAPS ACEA C3 oil. A standard ILSAC GF-5 oil is usually somewhere between the two.


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Platinum Euro vs Platinum Euro LX is some of the AZ half priced oil I bought, what is the difference versus LX?


It’s probably SAPS (sulphated ash) level, which is a reflection of the metallic additives in the oil. Stuff like Ca and Mg detergent for TBN, and Zn & P from ZDDP anti wear additive. These are good for the engine & oil life but can negatively affect DPF and exhaust cat life.

The standard Euro will probably be a full-SAPS ACEA A3/B4 oil, while the LX is probably a mid-SAPS ACEA C3 oil. A standard ILSAC GF-5 oil is usually somewhere between the two.

I've just had a look at the Pennzoil website. You've pretty much nailed it.

The Euro is available in 0W-40, 5W-30 and 5W-40.
The Euro LX is 0W-30.

The Euro product claims ACEA A3/B3 and A3/B4 but only the 2010 version - this isn't permitted by ACEA; you should always claim only the latest version (currently 2016). It also claims only to "meet API SN engine test requirements". Of the MB claims, it is listed by MB for the 229.5 and 229.3 but not the 226.5.

The Euro LX is a mid-SAPS ACEA C2/C3 type (an interesting combination that requires you to deliver high fuel economy with a high HTHS), claiming VW 504 00/507 00, MB 229.31/229.51 etc. The MB claims are all listed but the PDS claims only "exceeds the requirements of" ACEA C2/C3 and API SN.


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Re: Full Synthetic Oil made from Natural Gas [Re: sdowney717] #5278578 11/27/19 06:20 AM
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I have quite a bit of it I got on clearance and anything I’ve used it in has turned black right away. I could understand my older cars but I dumped the factory fill in my wife’s rogue and within 1k the PP was very dark. I went with valvoline after that and it stays clean the entire interval. I’m running it in an 09 impala and it burns quicker than the shell oil, same with my altima.

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I have quite a bit of it I got on clearance and anything I’ve used it in has turned black right away. I could understand my older cars but I dumped the factory fill in my wife’s rogue and within 1k the PP was very dark. I went with valvoline after that and it stays clean the entire interval. I’m running it in an 09 impala and it burns quicker than the shell oil, same with my altima.

If that is your technical criteria for an oil then I'd say you did the right thing.


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Re: Full Synthetic Oil made from Natural Gas [Re: pitzel] #5278634 11/27/19 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by pitzel

Even the carrier oils for the additives are natural-gas derived?


No. GTL base oils have poor solubility due to the very low aromatic content. Therefore, the carrier oil for the additive package is most likely an ester or naphthalene.

There's nothing special about GTL base oils. They don't "keep engines cleaner," that's just marketing mumbo-jumbo. Every brand says their oil keeps engines cleaner. GTL is just a cheaper way to make a group III base oil. Nothing more, nothing less.


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