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PP Euro LX 0w30 - 9,389 Miles - '18 Giulia w/ 2.0T #5274724 11/22/19 04:13 PM
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UOA number 2 for the Alfa. Everything is looking great so far. This definitely shows that the previous fill was not PP Euro like the dealer stated but instead it was likely filled with Mopar MaxPro+. I've not seen another Alfa owner perform a UOA with that oil yet so can't say that's 100% the case.

0 - 1,900 - Petronas Selenia Digitek Pure Energy 0w30
1,900 - 9,699 - Unknown Syn 0w30
9,699 - 19,088 - PP Euro LX
19,088 - Present - PP Euro LX

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16.5 CX-5 Touring AWD
  • 2.5L I4 - 66k - Castrol Edge EP 0w20 - Denso - 7.5k/1yr
Re: PP Euro LX 0w30 - 9,389 Miles - '18 Giulia w/ 2.0T [Re: RamFan] #5274738 11/22/19 04:27 PM
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No point in sampling for a while especially since there is no fuel dilution


Re: PP Euro LX 0w30 - 9,389 Miles - '18 Giulia w/ 2.0T [Re: RamFan] #5274749 11/22/19 04:38 PM
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Break in but frankly I'd be looking for those wear numbers to start declining rapidly very soon.

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2004 Corolla 137331
Out: Havoline Pro DS 10w-30 Purolator PureOne 10-29-19 136457
In: Pennzoil Platinum HM 5W-20 ST 4386
2006 Duramax 76862
Out: T6 5W-40 XG9100 73705
In: Rotella Dino PH9100 11-3-19
Re: PP Euro LX 0w30 - 9,389 Miles - '18 Giulia w/ 2.0T [Re: RamFan] #5274783 11/22/19 05:21 PM
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Agreed I'd expect the iron and copper to be significantly reduced next time around. Good to see a 10k UOA on Pennzoil LX, it looks good strong TBN too but viscosity is thinner than I'd expect for a Euro oil that starts out nearly a 40 grade. Think maybe Blackstone is missing some fuel dilution? They are known to be less than stellar at detecting it for some reason.


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Re: PP Euro LX 0w30 - 9,389 Miles - '18 Giulia w/ 2.0T [Re: RamFan] #5274793 11/22/19 05:28 PM
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Those wear numbers are at the Blackstone Averages, so, no they probably won't go down much. Its the engine design. Not a low-iron-shedding Toyota engine here.

The oil from 4/18/2019 was not an LSPI-resistant SN+ or dexos1, that's for sure. High calcium. Sheared down a lot to 8.16.
I like the idea of switching to Euro LX, its too thick really (HTHS high) but that will help protect it when driving it hard, more confidence there.


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Re: PP Euro LX 0w30 - 9,389 Miles - '18 Giulia w/ 2.0T [Re: RamFan] #5274806 11/22/19 05:46 PM
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The previous oil looks like Mopar MaxPro xw20:

http://pqiadata.org/Mopar_MaxPro_5W20.html


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Re: PP Euro LX 0w30 - 9,389 Miles - '18 Giulia w/ 2.0T [Re: CharlieBauer] #5274837 11/22/19 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by CharlieBauer
The previous oil looks like Mopar MaxPro xw20: http://pqiadata.org/Mopar_MaxPro_5W20.html
No the boron amount is off. Besides, it would be expected for this high-revving, newly machined bearing surfaces with asperities to mechanically shear the living daylights out of a high VII 0w-30 that doesn't perform to German strict Kurt Orbahn specs.


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Re: PP Euro LX 0w30 - 9,389 Miles - '18 Giulia w/ 2.0T [Re: paoester] #5274843 11/22/19 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by paoester
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The previous oil looks like Mopar MaxPro xw20: http://pqiadata.org/Mopar_MaxPro_5W20.html
No the boron amount is off. Besides, it would be expected for this high-revving, newly machined bearing surfaces with asperities to mechanically shear the living daylights out of a high VII 0w-30 that doesn't perform to German strict Kurt Orbahn specs.


Boron is off but everything else is very similar.


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Re: PP Euro LX 0w30 - 9,389 Miles - '18 Giulia w/ 2.0T [Re: paoester] #5274877 11/22/19 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by paoester
Those wear numbers are at the Blackstone Averages, so, no they probably won't go down much. Its the engine design.


I'm not entirely sure of that. While it certainly might be the case, these engines are still relatively new here in the states and there haven't been a lot of UOAs done on them. Those that have been done, have been done on low mile engines. With all this being said, I'm not concerned in the least.

Originally Posted by paoester
The oil from 4/18/2019 was not an LSPI-resistant SN+ or dexos1, that's for sure.


Funny enough, the oil from the 4/18 sample which was the oil used (per the invoice) by the dealer for the first freebie is Mopar MaxPro+ which is SN + rated.
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First was 20 grade and last one was a 30 grade oil.


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Re: PP Euro LX 0w30 - 9,389 Miles - '18 Giulia w/ 2.0T [Re: RamFan] #5275027 11/22/19 10:03 PM
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Pennzoil is not a good oil. The amount of iron clearly shows it.

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Originally Posted by Joe_Cena
Pennzoil is not a good oil. The amount of iron clearly shows it.

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  • 2.0T I4 - 20k - PP Euro LX 0w30 - PureOne - 10k/1yr

16.5 CX-5 Touring AWD
  • 2.5L I4 - 66k - Castrol Edge EP 0w20 - Denso - 7.5k/1yr
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And it is loud too … and it does not feel smooth … and it did not lower my taxes … and …

Re: PP Euro LX 0w30 - 9,389 Miles - '18 Giulia w/ 2.0T [Re: RamFan] #5275103 11/23/19 01:41 AM
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Originally Posted by RamFan
Originally Posted by Joe_Cena
Pennzoil is not a good oil. The amount of iron clearly shows it.

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Re: PP Euro LX 0w30 - 9,389 Miles - '18 Giulia w/ 2.0T [Re: Joe_Cena] #5275107 11/23/19 02:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Joe_Cena
Pennzoil is not a good oil. The amount of iron clearly shows it.


This wasn't a good post and this clearly shows it.


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