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Re: MOTUL Specific VW 508.00 Unboxing [Re: weasley] #5273308 11/21/19 05:40 AM
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Originally Posted by ARCOgraphite
I may get a UOA on whats in the sump now since its a mystery.

I might at least have them show me that the dumped oil is flourescent under UV like Castrol Professional would be.


UV fluorescence disappears very quickly in use so is unlikely to show up in an end-of-service oil sample, even if it was there to start with. If the oil is a genuine, VW-approved 508 00/509 00 oil it should have Zr in it, which isn't routinely tested in UOAs.

Ravenol claims that there are certain unknown chemical markers in their 508/509 oil. If that’s the case, those markers would be in all brands of 508/509 oils.
https://www.ravenol.de/en/product-range/motor-oils-for-passenger-cars-1/ravenol-vse-sae-0w-20/


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Re: MOTUL Specific VW 508.00 Unboxing [Re: BrandonT] #5273446 11/21/19 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by BrandonT
I posted VOA for Motul and Total, and there is a good 3rd party study done on some VW508 oils here: https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/foru...5332/4/which-508-00-oil-would-you-choose


Thanks I re-read that.

But you Never really know how it will perform until its in the engine and on the road.

Whatever my VW dealer put in - its not factory OE quality.

I would really shy away from putting a higher viscosity higher HTHS in this engine it doesnt like it.

And I have a MT in the Jetta which is more forgiving of higher vis oils.

We will see how the MOTUL works, but Ive had issue changing oils after a Ti additised oil ( iek Castrol Pro) has been dumped.

Really long EP/AWpackage replacement time.leaving a Castrol Edge or Kendal GT dump behind, and unexplained Horrendous engine noise in the meanwhile. Had it happened TWICE so I know what to expect. High engine loading after 300- 500 miles can speed the changeover. Very Odd, but repeatable.

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Re: MOTUL Specific VW 508.00 Unboxing [Re: ARCOgraphite] #5273514 11/21/19 10:39 AM
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I really am amazed when someone thinks they can tell anything between changing oil viscosity.

Volvo specifies an RBSO-2AE oil for their VEA engines. These are high-end 0w20 mid-saps oils that were designed hand in hand with the VEA engine. I've had two of these engines now and changed from RBS0-2AE to a VW 504/507 oil to slimline my stocks.

Both engines I have been totally unable to feel any difference between the oils despite going from a 2.9mPAS HTHS oil to a >3.5mPAS HTHS oil.


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Re: MOTUL Specific VW 508.00 Unboxing [Re: MParr] #5273516 11/21/19 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by MParr
Ravenol claims that there are certain unknown chemical markers in their 508/509 oil. If that’s the case, those markers would be in all brands of 508/509 oils.
https://www.ravenol.de/en/product-range/motor-oils-for-passenger-cars-1/ravenol-vse-sae-0w-20/

Correct - if an oil is formally approved by VW to 508 00/509 00 then they must contain the same marker, since it is a requirement of the specification (as is the dye, which is not UV fluorescent).


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Re: MOTUL Specific VW 508.00 Unboxing [Re: Bailes1992] #5273819 11/21/19 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Bailes1992
I really am amazed when someone thinks they can tell anything between changing oil viscosity.

Volvo specifies an RBSO-2AE oil for their VEA engines. These are high-end 0w20 mid-saps oils that were designed hand in hand with the VEA engine. I've had two of these engines now and changed from RBS0-2AE to a VW 504/507 oil to slimline my stocks.

Both engines I have been totally unable to feel any difference between the oils despite going from a 2.9mPAS HTHS oil to a >3.5mPAS HTHS oil.


Well I'm an audiophile too, so be amazed that I can tell the difference between stranded wire, non stranded wire, coated wire non coated wire and long grain copper wire. Along with differences between Cork turntable platter mats, vinyl platter mats and polymer Goldmund mats.

I am a sensitive Renaissance man trapped in a numb and dumb world smile smile smile


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Re: MOTUL Specific VW 508.00 Unboxing [Re: weasley] #5273973 11/21/19 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by weasley
UV fluorescence disappears very quickly in use so is unlikely to show up in an end-of-service oil sample, even if it was there to start with. If the oil is a genuine, VW-approved 508 00/509 00 oil it should have Zr in it, which isn't routinely tested in UOAs.

I didn't know about the Zirconium marker in VW 508/509 oils. They are serious checking if the owner really did use the correct oil.
I saw a web page that said its about 20 ppm Zr. This is suppose to be harmless & useless (no additive benefit) but this stuff crystallizes doesn't it? And is a solid?
Frankly, maybe they should have required the use of 20 ppm of tungsten (from the useful WS2), which few motor oils use anyway. Ravenol puts it in, but thats great full syn oil they use it in, so VW wouldn't be too upset if any of that was used.

Re: MOTUL Specific VW 508.00 Unboxing [Re: rooflessVW] #5289634 12/09/19 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by rooflessVW
I've also ordered for years from ECS Tuning without issue.

Why the Motul over the Castrol Professional?


The VW. Dealer put unknown bulk oil during first service and wouldn't show me label on tank, I've lost 3 MPG running average and the turbo spool up is sluggish and noisy. Prior the FF felt thin but easy to get high MPG over 40 MPG when lugging around town.

Ill report if this fixes it of not. The Motul is on the low side for a 20, like the Subaru stuff.

I have an update on my VW oil trails and tribulations:

Just got back form having the VW dealer put the MOTUL 508.00/ 509.00 Porsche C20 in.
I asked that I could see it being installed.
The Service writer and I actually put the oil in smile They have a special large screw in funnel. Cool.

Then I asked to see the bulk tank they use for oil changes.

Just one grade and spec: VW 502 Castrol Edge 5W40 !

I have no feedback on the MOTUL yet. Got to give it a few weeks.
- Ken


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