Total energy vs Total ineo first

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I have a simple question for oil specialist. Which oil is better for engine ( turbo shaft lubrication....);. Total energy 9000 0w30 or Total ineo first 0w30. Which is also better for fuel dilution? Both questions are for diesel engine protection.
 
With Euro diesel at 10ppm sulphur I would flip a coin, preferably a Deutsche Mark. Personally I would run whatever your automaker recommends and not worry about it. IIRC diesel turbos don't run as hot as gasoline turbos.
 
Ineo First is a low Saps C1 grade oil - a must for some diesel DPF's. Has a low TBN of around 6 (2018 VOA), so the russian oil club does not like it much. Not suited for longer intervals/tough condititions, provides some fuel economy.
Although I have not seen a VOA on the Quartz it has a TBN of over 10, also a is a full SAPS A3/B4 oil, so
much more suited to heavier and / or longer use. Not as fuel saving.
 
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In Germany diesel is perfect and I have no fear for DPF, and engine oil consumption is zero. I have fear because balance shaft needs the best possible lubrication (often fails at Ingenium engines like the one my Land Rover Discovery sport have). Technical book says lubrication is provided with oil "fumes"(evaporation).
 
Originally Posted by Goran
In Germany diesel is perfect and I have no fear for DPF, and engine oil consumption is zero. I have fear because balance shaft needs the best possible lubrication (often fails at Ingenium engines like the one my Land Rover Discovery sport have). Technical book says lubrication is provided with oil "fumes"(evaporation).


So with oil fume lubrication, higher NOACK is theoretically better than.
 
I'd also question the technical accuracy of translating whatever the original was to "fumes" lubrication. How about oil mist instead? That makes it a completely different statement.

What if the temperature is low and the oil has a very low vapor pressure? The components are unlubricated at that point?
 
Originally Posted by kschachn
I'd also question the technical accuracy of translating whatever the original was to "fumes" lubrication. How about oil mist instead? That makes it a completely different statement.

What if the temperature is low and the oil has a very low vapor pressure? The components are unlubricated at that point?


Translations from one language (english) to another language (German), many times have weird translations.
 
I don't translate with google but myself, and sometimes I look for the right words because I'm a Croat living in Germany, so I often get confused during translation at the moment. Your question is direct in bullseye, what kind of oil makes the best oil mist at normal engine temperature.?
 
As I mentioned to you before....try MoS2 additive...its the only one with a "potencial"...was widely used in ww2 in aircraft engines for emergency lubrication...and is nit considered as " snake oil"

Its not needed in modern engine oils nowadays...but hey...use it for "what if" scenario...Maybe it will cure your problem
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Originally Posted by Goran
I have a simple question for oil specialist. Which oil is better for engine ( turbo shaft lubrication....);. Total energy 9000 0w30 or Total ineo first 0w30. Which is also better for fuel dilution? Both questions are for diesel engine protection.

Energy 9000 is a high SaPS A3B4 oil with HTHS of >= 3.5 cP , not for use in cars with DPF .
Ineo First is a low SaPS C1 (as mentioned above) with HTHS of >= 2.9 cP fuel saving ,and together with (another) mid SaPS C3 , either one (C1 or C3) is required in cars with DPF .

Oil mist / oil splash lubrication is influenced by oil levels . MoS2 suggested by KameleON above would help .
 
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Originally Posted by DrDanger
Ineo First is a low Saps C1 grade oil - a must for some diesel DPF's. Has a low TBN of around 6 (2018 VOA), so the russian oil club does not like it much. Not suited for longer intervals/tough condititions, provides some fuel economy.
Although I have not seen a VOA on the Quartz it has a TBN of over 10, also a is a full SAPS A3/B4 oil, so
much more suited to heavier and / or longer use. Not as fuel saving.

Oil club (Russian) is sticking to the oil condemnation theory of TBN at
Hence you have MB 229.5 A3B4 oils often being recommended for condemnation/disposal at 4-5k miles oil usage and quality MB 229.51/2 C3 oils being condemned at 2.5-3.5k miles in very very low mileage new cars .

IMHO, that is really old school and conservative, holding on rules/theories adopted in the era of CG4/CH4/ACEA E4 oil formulation where virgin TBN in range of 12 -16 or higher, and where 5000-10000 ppm sulfur content diesel and leaded gasoline with 5000 sulfur content was prevailing .

Respectfully I disagree with your statement in bold .

Edit:Euro 4/5 diesels/gasolines easily available in Russia and its surrounding States ?

Edit:Grammar.
 
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I saw a few tests, but results were not so spectacular, special one from luiqi moly. But I am goint to try it anyway.

those bearings are with oilmist lubricated so I have to find oil which is the best for that kind of problem.
 
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