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My Neighbor's 320,000 Mile Saturn #5271836 11/19/19 01:14 PM
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I posted recently about wishing I could get a car or truck to last more than 200,000 miles with just careful maintenance. That discussion went all over the place, of course, but what became obvious is that precious few of us will ever find a shop that's good at rebuilding front suspension components so that a vehicle will be like new in tire wear and handling. Front end work appears to be just like engine rebuilds or transmission rebuilds: it's very hit and miss.

One of our neighbors has a 2004 Saturn Ion QuadCoupe with a staggering 320,000+ miles. This car has ORIGINAL everything: engine, trans, suspension components, ac/heat, etc. Chris, the owner, tells me the sunroof has never leaked a drop of water. He does report that the car is beginning to wear the front tires a little more on the inside edge, but not radically so.

Were most Saturns that well made? I've never owned one, but I surely didn't think Saturns were built to this standard.

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Re: My Neighbor's 320,000 Mile Saturn [Re: CrackyWainwright] #5271852 11/19/19 01:30 PM
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Maybe he always drives downhill.

Re: My Neighbor's 320,000 Mile Saturn [Re: CrackyWainwright] #5271854 11/19/19 01:34 PM
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We had a 2008 Saturn Outlook. I don't miss it one bit. The only nice thing I can say about is that it had great headlights. My wife was the primary driver and I think she's a little hard on cars since she's late all the time so she accelerates hard and brakes even harder. In 2016 with 109,500 miles on the ODO, it developed a connecting rod knock that would have required an engine replacement for about $7000 according to our mechanic whom I feel is very honest. The car was well maintained and had regular oil changes by me with quality oil and filters so it's not like it was neglected. The vehicle was trouble almost from day 1 of ownership so I didn't feel like putting one cent into that car at that point so we unloaded it to PEDDLE.com for $2450. Good riddance.


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Re: My Neighbor's 320,000 Mile Saturn [Re: CrackyWainwright] #5271866 11/19/19 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by CrackyWainwright
Were most Saturns that well made? I've never owned one, but I surely didn't think Saturns were built to this standard.


Most cars develop terminal cancer before a major mechanical problem and Saturns have rustproof body panels so that's an advantage. Some of the Vues have Honda drivetrains so 300K is no problem. The others are pretty simple mechanically so even a major repair isn't too expensive.

Re: My Neighbor's 320,000 Mile Saturn [Re: CrackyWainwright] #5271871 11/19/19 01:57 PM
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A friend of mine drove his 1994 SATURN sl1 to 500k miles before junking it. It smoked a bit after 400k.

Re: My Neighbor's 320,000 Mile Saturn [Re: CrackyWainwright] #5271878 11/19/19 02:04 PM
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I've seen that there are two, and only two, types of Saturn ownership:

1. Worst POS I've ever owned, was in the shop all the time, was a huge mistake
2. Drove to 400k without a single repair, sold it to nephew when starting using 1/2 qt. of oil in between changes

Literally nothing in between. Weird.


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Re: My Neighbor's 320,000 Mile Saturn [Re: IronMaidenRules] #5271889 11/19/19 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by IronMaidenRules
I've seen that there are two, and only two, types of Saturn ownership:
1. Worst POS I've ever owned, was in the shop all the time, was a huge mistake
2. Drove to 400k without a single repair, sold it to nephew when starting using 1/2 qt. of oil in between changes
Literally nothing in between. Weird.


Oddly enough, I've noticed a similar trend.


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Re: My Neighbor's 320,000 Mile Saturn [Re: CrackyWainwright] #5271896 11/19/19 02:22 PM
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We mistakenly purchased a 1997 Saturn SL2, that replaced a 1994 Pontiac Grand AM which was a mistake itself. For some reason our Saturn ate alternators which for most cars wouldn't be huge ordeal. However, Saturn said "hold my beer" and these geniuses mounted the alternator between the firewall and the engine above the front R driveshaft and under the power steering pump. You also had to remove tire and all of the inner fender lining to get the dang thing out!


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Re: My Neighbor's 320,000 Mile Saturn [Re: CrackyWainwright] #5271914 11/19/19 02:39 PM
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I had an 02 SL2 5 speed which I bought with just under 50k on it and never did more than brake pads once, tires and oil changes. Traded it at 150k and never had a single issue out of it. I think it may have still had the original battery in it. It did use a bit of oil, but I would just change it every 5k when it was about a quart low. Never bothered topping it off.

That got traded on an 07 Saturn Ion which had 28k on it. Sold that at 140k and had no issue with that one either. I know that one still had the OEM battery in it when I sold it. If they still made Saturns of that type, that weren't necessarily other cars rebadged, I would have bought another. I am now depending on that kind of reliability from my 98 LeSabre which has been flawless the past 50k, only paid $700 for it 3 years ago with 80k on it. Just flipped 130k this past weekend.


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Re: My Neighbor's 320,000 Mile Saturn [Re: CrackyWainwright] #5271916 11/19/19 02:40 PM
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A 2009+ Chevy Cobalt 5mt 2door zero options is reliable through about 250k so long as you replace the timing chains and keep an eye on gaskets and water pump.

Don’t skimp on oil changes either

Re: My Neighbor's 320,000 Mile Saturn [Re: CrackyWainwright] #5271948 11/19/19 03:13 PM
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Origanal suspension after 300,000 miles? One of two things is happening here...you're friend is a liar...or you're friend drove on a cloud for 300,000 miles. Oh, there's one more possibility...you're friend is driving around in a car in which the wheels are literally about to fall off and kill everyone on the highway.

It's tough to get a car/truck to make it to 300,000 miles or above. 200,000 miles? A lot easier - it's that extra 100,000 miles that's the killer.

The tough part is the suspension...it's just so hard to keep up with it. There's rubber components everywhere and they all wear out. To keep up with it is both expensive and difficult. And usually people normally go with aftermarket parts - rightly so - because OE suspension parts are ridiculously priced. To replace everything with OE parts every 100,000 miles or so would cost more than the car is worth once you get over 150,000 miles. And let's say you do that? Well, then your transmission blows and now that's not looking like such a great idea.

But I do love the high mileage success stories. Usually it takes a little luck, careful/responsible driving...and living in a salt free state. Brand I think does matter (unfortunately). A Toyota Camry is going to be a lot easier to get there then say...a Chevy Cobalt...or a Chrysler 200. Sad but true.

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Re: My Neighbor's 320,000 Mile Saturn [Re: CrackyWainwright] #5271965 11/19/19 03:30 PM
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It's not all that unusual, and if you look at the numbers you'll see that the vehicle in question very like has a lot of highway miles. Alabama and surrounding areas have decent roads, and most of the grades are pretty gentle. Any winters in northern Alabama are fairly minor, here in southern Alabama they're non-existent so there are no sub-zero starts and getting up to temperature isn't an issue. No body rust to worry about on the Saturn, and undercarriage rust isn't an issue in these parts. So keeping pretty much any vehicle for a very long time is easy, especially one that spends a lot of time on the highway.

I've had pretty much every pickup I own go well over 200,000 and I've never had an engine or transmission failure. I've replaced a couple tie rod ends, but that's about it for front end or suspension work. Never replaced an AC compressor (had a couple pickups without AC), I've only replaced brakes once on most of them (maybe twice on a couple). Until we moved closer to town I averaged about 500-600 miles/week and upgraded them every 8-10 years and always bought used with around 30,000 miles already on them.


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Re: My Neighbor's 320,000 Mile Saturn [Re: CrackyWainwright] #5271983 11/19/19 03:55 PM
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I promise you that this particular Saturn has terrible, worn-out, suspension. Bushings, balljoints, tie-rods, none of it last that long.

Finding a shop that can replace those parts, and rebuild a front suspension, isn't hard. The work is straightforward.

I've done them myself. Just two weeks ago on my s600, in fact. Lower control arms, lower torque arms, balljoints, upper control arms, inner and outer tie rods and new boots. With alignment, and my labor, it was still very expensive. But the car is back to feeling tight and responsive. A clunk is gone, too.

Your friend has an amazing capacity to ignore looseness, noise, abnormal tire wear and a poor ride...

Oh, wait, it's a Saturn, it was that way when it was new! LOL


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Originally Posted by CrackyWainwright
I posted recently about wishing I could get a car or truck to last more than 200,000 miles with just careful maintenance. That discussion went all over the place, of course, but what became obvious is that precious few of us will ever find a shop that's good at rebuilding front suspension components so that a vehicle will be like new in tire wear and handling. Front end work appears to be just like engine rebuilds or transmission rebuilds: it's very hit and miss.

One of our neighbors has a 2004 Saturn Ion QuadCoupe with a staggering 320,000+ miles. This car has ORIGINAL everything: engine, trans, suspension components, ac/heat, etc. Chris, the owner, tells me the sunroof has never leaked a drop of water. He does report that the car is beginning to wear the front tires a little more on the inside edge, but not radically so.

Were most Saturns that well made? I've never owned one, but I surely didn't think Saturns were built to this standard.


They were a neat little car company with promise and hope. Then GM turned them into union garbage. Wish they were still around and I think they probably would have made it. It's too bad too because they were more sporty looking than the other domestic four cylinder engines. Glad to see a 300,000 K car.


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Re: My Neighbor's 320,000 Mile Saturn [Re: CrackyWainwright] #5272022 11/19/19 05:15 PM
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320K, no more than 16 years old, means 20K per year minimum. Likely a LOT of highway miles, if it was maintained-I believe it would be possible.


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