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Alternative for Lexus Toyota WS #5267802 11/15/19 07:19 AM
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Looking to replace my ATF fluid on my 2016 Lexus ES 350 (V6) with 40K miles. Like Honda, Toyota calls for specific WS fluid but it is not full synthetic. I know their is good old MaxLife MultiVehicle ATF but I came cross a full synthetic Toyota WS specific option called Ravenol J1D2122-004 T-WS. Amazon has it for $55 for a 4 Liter jug. This seems to be the best full synthetic alternative. Any thoughts?

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Re: Alternative for Lexus Toyota WS [Re: Joephu] #5267803 11/15/19 07:22 AM
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At more the twice the price of Maxlife, I couldn't find a reason to use Ravenol.

I'm sure it would work just fine. There is also Castrol.


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Re: Alternative for Lexus Toyota WS [Re: Joephu] #5267805 11/15/19 07:25 AM
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I've been sticking with Valvoline MaxLife or Castrol Transmax IMV for my Toyota/Lexus vehicles and other Honda, Mazda, Nissan vehicles as well. And their CVT fluids too. On sale, the prices can't be beat.


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Re: Alternative for Lexus Toyota WS [Re: Joephu] #5267806 11/15/19 07:33 AM
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I would stick with the Toyota WS just to be sure. Just sample the oil from time to time. (pull out a cup and pour in a cup).

I did my Tacoma at 100K miles. Some towing of a bass boat and mostly highway miles. The oil color looked very close to cherry red of the new oil. Only a slight dark tint to it.

I did two drain and refills (~4qts each about 5000 miles apart). On the second drain and refill the fluid looked very close to new oil so I declared it good and will do it again every 60K miles or so from now on.

I have read of many folks with 200K+ miles on the original WS oil. Of course I have seen some folks drain and refil at 80K and it came out very dark so it depends on your driving style and environment. I'm in south texas so its hot but flat. no hills.

Re: Alternative for Lexus Toyota WS [Re: Joephu] #5267823 11/15/19 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Joephu
... This seems to be the best full synthetic alternative. Any thoughts?

I don't see how this is the "best full synthetic alternative".

IMO Maxlife ATF is the "best" alternative. It works and is cheap.
Castrol has a good alternative as well, costs more than Maxlife, but cheaper than what you posted.
There are several synthetic Dex VI fluids out there that work well also and again, are cheaper than the posted fluid.


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Re: Alternative for Lexus Toyota WS [Re: Joephu] #5267831 11/15/19 08:30 AM
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Idemitsu has a WS fluid too. Used it on a customer's vehicle over Maxlife per their request.

Idemitsu 30040096-95300C020 ATF Type TLS-LV (WS) Automatic Transmission Fluid for Toyota/Lexus/Scion-5 Quart https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07M94B6V6/ref=cm_sw_r_other_apa_i_SGQZDbVCZACBT


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Re: Alternative for Lexus Toyota WS [Re: Joephu] #5267841 11/15/19 08:40 AM
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I put the maxlife in ours. Some dex6 bottles say they can be used in ws applications.


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Re: Alternative for Lexus Toyota WS [Re: Joephu] #5267842 11/15/19 08:40 AM
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There are only 2 genuine Toyota WS fluids. Toyota WS and Aisin WS. There is a multitude of ATF's that will work. In this matter, I trust only Toyota WS.
IF it doesn't say "WS" on the bottle, it ain't "WS."

I do a drain and fill every 30K or every 10 oil changes.


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Re: Alternative for Lexus Toyota WS [Re: Joephu] #5267893 11/15/19 09:26 AM
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Don’t know what “best” means to you, but I will say that my Tundra shifts perfectly with AMSOIL Signature Series Fuel-Efficient Synthetic.

https://www.amsoil.com/shop/by-prod...omatic-transmission-fluid/?code=ATLPK-EA

Works great. Good stuff. Preferred price is a lot better than listed in the link above, about the same as the Ravenol.

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Re: Alternative for Lexus Toyota WS [Re: Gebo] #5267894 11/15/19 09:27 AM
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I've used Amsoils low viscosity ATF in multiple Toyota vehicles with no issues - including Camrys and Tundras

Re: Alternative for Lexus Toyota WS [Re: Joephu] #5267938 11/15/19 10:11 AM
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I have used the Idemitsu Honda equivalent in 2 TSXs with great results.
When I service our GS, I will use the Idemitsu WS equivalent.

I have used Maxlife in Toyota vehicles in the past with great results.
I like synthetics; that's why I don't use real WS.
I believe WS or any of its equivalents will be fine.

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Re: Alternative for Lexus Toyota WS [Re: Joephu] #5267944 11/15/19 10:16 AM
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I use Eneos Model T-W in my Sienna. It's cheap and easy to get at Napa. I like that it's not a "one size fits all/universal" fluid; Eneos specifically designed this fluid just for WS applications.
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Re: Alternative for Lexus Toyota WS [Re: Joephu] #5267962 11/15/19 10:34 AM
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Castrol's multi-vehicle is DEX6 & Merc LV licensed. It also says for all Toyota transmissions among others.

My Aisin seems to be pretty happy with it. I've been lucky to find it on clearance for less than $1/qt.


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Re: Alternative for Lexus Toyota WS [Re: ZebRuaj] #5267991 11/15/19 10:58 AM
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Is that a full synthetic or blend?

Re: Alternative for Lexus Toyota WS [Re: danez_yoda] #5267993 11/15/19 11:00 AM
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Wow, most people are not seeing any red with less than 50K Miles never mind towing. I know you can't go by color for effectiveness.

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