What is in Mobil 1 AFE that makes it AFE and sets it apart from Mobil 1?
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What is the difference between Mobil 1 AFE and Mobil 1?
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There Is no crossover between grades available in vanilla Mobil 1 and Mobil 1 AFE.
0W-16 is AFE only. Makes sense as fuel economy is the only reason this grade exists.
0W-20 is AFE or extended interval EP / AP. Difference in formulations and cost.
0W-30 is AFE or ESP. Two very different oils for two very different applications.
0W-16 is AFE only. Makes sense as fuel economy is the only reason this grade exists.
0W-20 is AFE or extended interval EP / AP. Difference in formulations and cost.
0W-30 is AFE or ESP. Two very different oils for two very different applications.
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Yes most of its pretty good stuff but some of them just aren't as good as their hype would like you to believe it is. But it sure helps the bottom line a whole lot more than it increases the life of the engine in you car. If some of this stuff was as good as they tell you we'd see a whole lot of engines joining the million mile club.
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Yes most of its pretty good stuff but some of them just aren't as good as their hype would like you to believe it is. But it sure helps the bottom line a whole lot more than it increases the life of the engine in you car. If some of this stuff was as good as they tell you we'd see a whole lot of engines joining the million mile club.
Mobil claims the AFE can save you fuel...YMMV. iirc, they are comparing the 10w-30 vs. 0w-30 in the EPA city test. This test is good for a 0w oil because of the cold start conditions.
If you are using a 10w conventional now AND switch to a 0w synthetic AND are in a cold environment AND take short trips AND have a healthy car, you will see a reduction in fuel consumption.
The biggest adjustment you can make to improve your fuel economy is adjust the nut behind the wheel!
If you are using a 10w conventional now AND switch to a 0w synthetic AND are in a cold environment AND take short trips AND have a healthy car, you will see a reduction in fuel consumption.
The biggest adjustment you can make to improve your fuel economy is adjust the nut behind the wheel!
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Have to wonder if AP will exist this time next year … but both AFE and EP are fine lubes that do sell
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I think GM agreed by specifying 0w20 in my V8 LT's … folks tend to start the engine and motor on …
(I at least get past the fast rev part … not sure my wife does unless it's cold enough to pre start).
(I at least get past the fast rev part … not sure my wife does unless it's cold enough to pre start).
AFE is just the 0w versions of vanilla M1
Give's the crooks at Mobil a reason to charge more for their garbage oil...
Originally Posted by racin4ds
Give's the crooks at Mobil a reason to charge more for their garbage oil...
Give's the crooks at Mobil a reason to charge more for their garbage oil...
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Originally Posted by Jimmy_Russells
AFE is just the 0w versions of vanilla M1
This is correct.
The 0w-20 and 0w-30 were originally just silver bottle vanilla M1 grades and Mobil decided to spin them out into their own category.
AFE is just the 0w versions of vanilla M1
This is correct.
The 0w-20 and 0w-30 were originally just silver bottle vanilla M1 grades and Mobil decided to spin them out into their own category.
Originally Posted by ad244
Isnt vanilla M1 group 3 basestock and AFE has more PAO?
Maybe, to achieve the grade.
But AFE is just the 0W version of vanilla M1.
Isnt vanilla M1 group 3 basestock and AFE has more PAO?
Maybe, to achieve the grade.
But AFE is just the 0W version of vanilla M1.
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Originally Posted by ad244
Isnt vanilla M1 group 3 basestock and AFE has more PAO?
Varies by grade. 0W-xx oils tend to have more PAO, but the EP and AP 0w-xx's have even more.
Isnt vanilla M1 group 3 basestock and AFE has more PAO?
Varies by grade. 0W-xx oils tend to have more PAO, but the EP and AP 0w-xx's have even more.
M1 AFE = vanilla M1 0W-xx
AFE is a redundant marketing term for vanilla M1 0W-xx. They don't use it in their MSDS -- they simply say M1 0W-20 etc.
It's used for their ILSAC 0W-xx oils.
Their Euro full-SAPS 0W-xx oils (A3/B4) have the FS term and Euro mid-SAPS 0W-xx oils (C2/C3) have the ESP term. Their Euro C5 0W-20 (mid-SAPS) has the ESP x2 term, to distinguish it from their thick (C2/C3) 0W-30 ESP oils, as it has HTHS viscosity = 2.6 cP.
AFE is a redundant marketing term for vanilla M1 0W-xx. They don't use it in their MSDS -- they simply say M1 0W-20 etc.
It's used for their ILSAC 0W-xx oils.
Their Euro full-SAPS 0W-xx oils (A3/B4) have the FS term and Euro mid-SAPS 0W-xx oils (C2/C3) have the ESP term. Their Euro C5 0W-20 (mid-SAPS) has the ESP x2 term, to distinguish it from their thick (C2/C3) 0W-30 ESP oils, as it has HTHS viscosity = 2.6 cP.
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Originally Posted by ad244
Isnt vanilla M1 group 3 basestock and AFE has more PAO?
Varies by grade. 0W-xx oils tend to have more PAO, but the EP and AP 0w-xx's have even more.
M1 AFE 0W-20 has no longer any PAO. It's entirely GTL-based now.
M1 EP 0W-20 is entirely PAO-and-AN-based.
Originally Posted by ad244
Isnt vanilla M1 group 3 basestock and AFE has more PAO?
Varies by grade. 0W-xx oils tend to have more PAO, but the EP and AP 0w-xx's have even more.
M1 AFE 0W-20 has no longer any PAO. It's entirely GTL-based now.
M1 EP 0W-20 is entirely PAO-and-AN-based.
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Originally Posted by Gokhan
Originally Posted by OVERKILL
Originally Posted by ad244
Isnt vanilla M1 group 3 basestock and AFE has more PAO?
Varies by grade. 0W-xx oils tend to have more PAO, but the EP and AP 0w-xx's have even more.
M1 AFE 0W-20 has no longer any PAO. It's entirely GTL-based now.
M1 EP 0W-20 is entirely PAO-and-AN-based.
Just checked the MSDS and you are right, they changed it in May
Originally Posted by OVERKILL
Originally Posted by ad244
Isnt vanilla M1 group 3 basestock and AFE has more PAO?
Varies by grade. 0W-xx oils tend to have more PAO, but the EP and AP 0w-xx's have even more.
M1 AFE 0W-20 has no longer any PAO. It's entirely GTL-based now.
M1 EP 0W-20 is entirely PAO-and-AN-based.
Just checked the MSDS and you are right, they changed it in May
Originally Posted by OVERKILL
Originally Posted by Jimmy_Russells
AFE is just the 0w versions of vanilla M1
This is correct.
The 0w-20 and 0w-30 were originally just silver bottle vanilla M1 grades and Mobil decided to spin them out into their own category.
Thanks! Didn't know that. Glad I do now.
Originally Posted by Jimmy_Russells
AFE is just the 0w versions of vanilla M1
This is correct.
The 0w-20 and 0w-30 were originally just silver bottle vanilla M1 grades and Mobil decided to spin them out into their own category.
Thanks! Didn't know that. Glad I do now.
Just grabbed some 0w20 to put in the wife's Wrangler on the next change since it was on sale. Used 5w20 previous oil change and figured what the heck, since it's winter. Was under the impression it had some PAO... Oh well.
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