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Re: Colorado updated traction law for I-70 and messes it up [Re: Astro14] #5263500 11/10/19 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Astro14
Didn’t you know that AWD on barely legal all season tires allows SUV drivers to ignore physics and common sense?

That’s been true for years...

Now, Colorado has simply updated their policy to reflect this popular understanding...

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Re: Colorado updated traction law for I-70 and messes it up [Re: hallstevenson] #5263501 11/10/19 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by hallstevenson
How do they enforce this specifically with out-of-state drivers ? The law should include wording like "vehicles registered in the state of CO". That's how Ohio has the wording for window tint, for example. While the police might not like 5% tint on a vehicle with Florida plates, they can't cite them for breaking Ohio's law (limited to 35%).

Why would someone be exempt if they are out of state? I guess they will get same ticket.


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Re: Colorado updated traction law for I-70 and messes it up [Re: Imp4] #5263502 11/10/19 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Imp4
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Case in point: We had unusual snow storm two weeks ago where temperatures dropped below -15c. There is one road here that has 14% grade, and it was absolute mess. So local TV crew interviews people who had issue stopping, and one older lady says: I was not ready for this. I think next year I might get myself AWD vehicle.
So her solution for problem on slick roads going downhill is AWD.

So you got the potential Subie owners on the -15C, 14% grade situation.
Congratulations.

Yep, I will bet my monthly salary that she will get Subaru, so she can tackle that road going downhill.


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Re: Colorado updated traction law for I-70 and messes it up [Re: FordBroncoVWJeta] #5263511 11/10/19 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by FordBroncoVWJeta
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How do they enforce this specifically with out-of-state drivers ? The law should include wording like "vehicles registered in the state of CO". That's how Ohio has the wording for window tint, for example. While the police might not like 5% tint on a vehicle with Florida plates, they can't cite them for breaking Ohio's law (limited to 35%).
I don't believe the tint thing is actually true. When you are in a different state you are subject to their laws.

It's one thing to make yourself aware of the laws of a state that you will be traveling through but a whole different thing to undo modifications to your vehicle that are allowed where you live.
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4513.241 Using tinted glass and other vision obscuring materials.
The rules adopted under this section may provide for persons who meet either of the following qualifications:

(2) Establish residency in this state and are required to register a motor vehicle that does not conform to the requirements of this section or of any rule adopted under this section.

Re: Colorado updated traction law for I-70 and messes it up [Re: edyvw] #5263521 11/10/19 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by edyvw

No you are not typical Subaru driver. I have a lot of friends that ski with me that have Subaru's with snow tires. But amount of people who get Subaru just bcs. it has AWD and that will solve their issue in winter far exceeds drivers like you.


This is true of anything you can buy. Idiot photographers buy Nikon cameras thinking it will make them "the best". Parents buy kids expensive musical instruments so if the kid sucks it's not the instrument's fault. If someone has enough sense to buy their way out of driving poorly in the winter, Subaru (and the Honda CRV) seem to attract them.

Maybe said idiot keeps getting passed by subarus that are properly equipped with decent drivers, and figures hey, he/she will buy in.

I bet a true (used) subaru aficionado will be able to spot the seller nearly instantly as to which of these two groups they belong to.

Re: Colorado updated traction law for I-70 and messes it up [Re: edyvw] #5263535 11/10/19 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by edyvw
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How do they enforce this specifically with out-of-state drivers ? The law should include wording like "vehicles registered in the state of CO". That's how Ohio has the wording for window tint, for example. While the police might not like 5% tint on a vehicle with Florida plates, they can't cite them for breaking Ohio's law (limited to 35%).

Why would someone be exempt if they are out of state? I guess they will get same ticket.


Some states don't have front license plates. In most states that require front license plates it's a ticketable offense to drive without out one. By that argument, should those from states with only one plate get ticketed if they drive into states that require both plates? On a side note, if your state requires an inspection sticker on the windshield, and you drive into DC without it, you're subject to a ticket. Now most DC cops don't know the requirements of states far away, but they do ticket Virginia drivers without one all the time.

Re: Colorado updated traction law for I-70 and messes it up [Re: eljefino] #5263564 11/10/19 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by eljefino
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No you are not typical Subaru driver. I have a lot of friends that ski with me that have Subaru's with snow tires. But amount of people who get Subaru just bcs. it has AWD and that will solve their issue in winter far exceeds drivers like you.


This is true of anything you can buy. Idiot photographers buy Nikon cameras thinking it will make them "the best". Parents buy kids expensive musical instruments so if the kid sucks it's not the instrument's fault. If someone has enough sense to buy their way out of driving poorly in the winter, Subaru (and the Honda CRV) seem to attract them.

Maybe said idiot keeps getting passed by subarus that are properly equipped with decent drivers, and figures hey, he/she will buy in.




Subaru has a reputation for being an excellent winter car. And they can be ... but that reputation was earned 20 years ago when all wheel drive cars did not exist, EXCEPT for Subaru's and Audi's, and SUV's were just beginning to trend up.

Fast forward to today, and nearly EVERYBODY has an SUV with all wheel drive. Subaru sells a ton of Foresters, Cross-Treks and Outbacks, and lately Ascents. But they don't sell very many Impreza's or Legacy's anymore.

Subaru has done VERY WELL with their marketing, with sales being very strong in North America.

It's not just Subaru buyers, it's an increasing number of car / suv buyers in general, who actually believe the advertising hype. Products like Mazda's I-Active all wheel drive, that states ...

CONFIDENCE IGNITED BY INTUITION ...

Mazda’s predictive i-Activ AWD is an on-demand system featuring sensors that check road conditions 200 times every second. Built to sense, and respond to these conditions, i-Activ AWD helps to ensure a more confident drive.


Sounds AWESOME ! Who needs good tires, or any driving skill, if the car is checking road conditions 200 times a second ... !!! And the general public believes this stuff.


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Re: Colorado updated traction law for I-70 and messes it up [Re: UG_Passat] #5263588 11/10/19 06:56 PM
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The law requires 3/16 or 6/32 tread depth. The Michelin Premier starts with only 8.5/32 smirk2

(the standard is 10/32)

Re: Colorado updated traction law for I-70 and messes it up [Re: atikovi] #5263738 11/10/19 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by atikovi
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Originally Posted by hallstevenson
How do they enforce this specifically with out-of-state drivers ? The law should include wording like "vehicles registered in the state of CO". That's how Ohio has the wording for window tint, for example. While the police might not like 5% tint on a vehicle with Florida plates, they can't cite them for breaking Ohio's law (limited to 35%).

Why would someone be exempt if they are out of state? I guess they will get same ticket.


Some states don't have front license plates. In most states that require front license plates it's a ticketable offense to drive without out one. By that argument, should those from states with only one plate get ticketed if they drive into states that require both plates? On a side note, if your state requires an inspection sticker on the windshield, and you drive into DC without it, you're subject to a ticket. Now most DC cops don't know the requirements of states far away, but they do ticket Virginia drivers without one all the time.

Yeah, there is a big difference having bald tires in ice and not having front license plate. CO laws require front plate, yet I see numerous cars without one.


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Re: Colorado updated traction law for I-70 and messes it up [Re: edyvw] #5263768 11/11/19 12:26 AM
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Originally Posted by edyvw
Yeah, there is a big difference having bald tires in ice and not having front license plate. CO laws require front plate, yet I see numerous cars without one.
Wait until you see our friends from Missouri coming down I-70. In a dually diesel F-250 doing 90MPH with a John Deere license plate in the rear. Missouri lets farm trucks put them in the front only for some reason. I think they are suppose to have a trailer but never do.


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Re: Colorado updated traction law for I-70 and messes it up [Re: UG_Passat] #5263871 11/11/19 06:51 AM
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I would think that a lot of people are driving on tires with fewer than 6/32" (3/16") tread.

Re: Colorado updated traction law for I-70 and messes it up [Re: edyvw] #5264275 11/11/19 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by edyvw
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How do they enforce this specifically with out-of-state drivers ? The law should include wording like "vehicles registered in the state of CO". That's how Ohio has the wording for window tint, for example. While the police might not like 5% tint on a vehicle with Florida plates, they can't cite them for breaking Ohio's law (limited to 35%).

Why would someone be exempt if they are out of state? I guess they will get same ticket.


Right...for example, how does this sound: "You can't ticket me for speeding officer, because my vehicle is not registered in the state."


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Re: Colorado updated traction law for I-70 and messes it up [Re: JLTD] #5264299 11/11/19 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by JLTD


Right...for example, how does this sound: "You can't ticket me for speeding officer, because my vehicle is not registered in the state."


There’s likely reciprocity of acceptance that speed limits are an established and necessary thing in every jurisdiction. it’s also established everywhere that they are variable based upon a wide variety of conditions and traffic patterns.

Other stuff isn’t as universally relevant, and/or lack an objective standard that is broadly encompassing.

Apples vs. oranges.

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There’s likely reciprocity of acceptance that speed limits are an established and necessary thing in every jurisdiction.

Once upon a time, if a resident of one state got a fine in another, they had no way to collect it beyond pain of arrest if the out-of-stater ever returned and was caught. I doubt this is still true anywhere, and definitely not for commercial drivers who now have what's essentially a federal license.


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Re: Colorado updated traction law for I-70 and messes it up [Re: FordBroncoVWJeta] #5264404 11/11/19 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by FordBroncoVWJeta
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Yeah, there is a big difference having bald tires in ice and not having front license plate. CO laws require front plate, yet I see numerous cars without one.
Wait until you see our friends from Missouri coming down I-70. In a dually diesel F-250 doing 90MPH with a John Deere license plate in the rear. Missouri lets farm trucks put them in the front only for some reason. I think they are suppose to have a trailer but never do.


Many states are like that for apportioned truck plates...if the vehicle is used for towing, it goes on the front.


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