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Toyota R150f need help choosing mt oil #5263548 11/10/19 06:19 PM
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Hi lads and ladettes,

Recently changed the oil in my gearbox, Toyota r150f from 3vz 4Runner. Currently shifts like [censored] and I can feel the issue is the synchronising rings. I realise the gearbox is bit long in the tooth and probably needs a rebuild soon but figured it’s important to find the right lube now. I’ve been using Castrol universal 80w90 as that’s what they recommend but I’ve seen the error in my ways.

I’m thinking of switching to syntrans as it’s readily available but not sure whether to go with 75w85 or 75w90 HD. Any other brands/grades open to suggestions, I’m in Australia as far as stock and range is concerned.

I need something aimed at high temps as I live in north of the country where the road constantly melts so I don’t care about cold performance just something that performs in high temps.

Service manual suggests GL4 or 5 75W90 however it has brass syncros so I’m thinking perhaps the GL4 syntrans HD. Also after suggestions for the transfer case (gear driven R1fa) and diffs as I’ve been using the 80w90 in all of them and not really impressed.

Re: Toyota R150f need help choosing mt oil [Re: Jgrov2] #5263618 11/10/19 07:34 PM
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Give RedLine a call. They make great shock-proof gear oil and can recommend the proper oil for your application. It could make a big difference.


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Re: Toyota R150f need help choosing mt oil [Re: Jgrov2] #5263918 11/11/19 07:55 AM
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Put GL4 in it! I have the same MT on my LC....

Dunno what was its previous fill....but when I changed it with Motul Motylgear 75w90 wich is GL4/5 it shifts became notchier...


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Re: Toyota R150f need help choosing mt oil [Re: Jgrov2] #5263922 11/11/19 07:58 AM
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I put Redline MT-90 in mine and it feels great.

Re: Toyota R150f need help choosing mt oil [Re: Jgrov2] #5264102 11/11/19 11:06 AM
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Here is a list of MT specific 75W90's from all over the world:

NOTE: This list is only a “suggested” list of MTFs. It is not an endorsement of any one fluid, nor is it implied that any one fluid will cure problems in MTs that have design problems or those that have excessive wear.

1. Amsoil MTG
2. Redline MT-90
3. Castrol Syntrans Multivehicle 75W-90
4. Castrol Syntrans Transaxle 75w-90
5. Ford XT-75W90-QGT (Carries a GL-5 rating as well)
6. Ford MOTORCRAFT® Full Synthetic Manual Transmission Fluid XT-M5-QS
7. ACDelco 10-4059 GL-4 75W-90 Manual Transmission Fluid
8. RAVENOL TSG SAE 75W-90
9. LiquiMoly 75W-90 GL4


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Re: Toyota R150f need help choosing mt oil [Re: Jgrov2] #5264466 11/11/19 06:36 PM
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Amsoil is a bit hard to find as is redline here plus it’s nearly three times the price of castrol syntrans. Is there much difference between syntrans 75w85 vs 75w90 besides the obvious? 75w85 seems to be move readily available then the multivehicle.

Re: Toyota R150f need help choosing mt oil [Re: Jgrov2] #5265304 11/12/19 05:26 PM
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I used Redline MT 90 in mine with no issues. Totally changed how it shifted, though, in a much better way. I'd find something that is the equivalent. On a side note, I also used Redline's D4 ATF in the power steering of that truck. I had to adjust how I steered since it was much easier and smoother to turn. No more rebuilding pump due to heat issues, either, which seemed to be a problem. Rebuilt mine twice before Redline, none after, which was about another 100k miles.


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Re: Toyota R150f need help choosing mt oil [Re: Jgrov2] #5265334 11/12/19 06:11 PM
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Used Redline MT90 on the last change, then swapped again for MT90 after 50,000 kms. There was hardly any color change, nor was there any noticeably debris. I think next time I'm going to 80,000 - 100,000 kms intervals

This is on my 4Runner with 390,000 kms which has the same transmission. These trucks are VERY easy on their fluids. I honestly did not notice any difference on my first changeover from whatever the previous owner had in there (likely OEM Toyota stuff since it was dealer maintained) to Redline MT90.

Re: Toyota R150f need help choosing mt oil [Re: MolaKule] #5265335 11/12/19 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by MolaKule
Here is a list of MT specific 75W90's from all over the world:

NOTE: This list is only a “suggested” list of MTFs. It is not an endorsement of any one fluid, nor is it implied that any one fluid will cure problems in MTs that have design problems or those that have excessive wear.

...



I noticed Pennzoil Platinum now also has a line of 75W90 in either GL-4 (transmission) or GL-5 (differentials). Would be curious if anyone has feedback on these products.

Re: Toyota R150f need help choosing mt oil [Re: Jgrov2] #5265343 11/12/19 06:20 PM
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I’m sold on redline mt-90 found a reasonable retailer locally. I might follow their recommendations for everything as I’ve just been using generic [censored] til now. Thanks for the recommendation on steering fluid mines been playing up and having issues with heat so I’ll switch to that once I sort few things out with it

Re: Toyota R150f need help choosing mt oil [Re: nobb] #5265451 11/12/19 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by nobb

I noticed Pennzoil Platinum now also has a line of 75W90 in either GL-4 (transmission) or GL-5 (differentials). Would be curious if anyone has feedback on these products.


They do and only recently has a PDS been found. We will be adding that to our list of GL-4 75W90's. It appears to be a rather rare product with respect to its appearance in the usual auto parts stores.

It has a 100C viscosity of 15.3 cSt which is close to Redline MT-90 but higher than Amsoil's MTG at 14. cSt.


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Re: Toyota R150f need help choosing mt oil [Re: Jgrov2] #5265665 11/13/19 02:02 AM
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I ran Mobil 1 75w90 GL-5 in my R150F equipped '97 4Runner for 13 years. It shifted fine. Then I switched to redline MT90, it shifted a bit better. Then I used Amsoil MTG for the last four years or so. It seemed to shift the best.

Toyota specs either a GL-4 or GL-5 75w90 in the R150F trans.

After 22 years I just recently sold the '97, and bought a new 4Runner. I guess I'll see if it proves to be as reliable.

Re: Toyota R150f need help choosing mt oil [Re: Jgrov2] #5265668 11/13/19 02:09 AM
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My next MT oil change...
https://bit.ly/2qaqaHn

You can try to get it at any VAG (audi/vw/...) dealer since it is vw501.50


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Re: Toyota R150f need help choosing mt oil [Re: Jgrov2] #5266114 11/13/19 01:53 PM
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Have you changed the shifter bushings?

Re: Toyota R150f need help choosing mt oil [Re: Jgrov2] #5266184 11/13/19 03:37 PM
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Stick goes directly into a gearbox...no extra connections & links...


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