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Making Roundnose Perform Better? #5262251 11/09/19 12:32 AM
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Is there any truth to the tip of cutting an X into a lead roundnose for better performance? Thank you

Re: Making Roundnose Perform Better? [Re: rrretiree7] #5262257 11/09/19 01:09 AM
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It cant be because because it would reduce the Ballistic Coefficient and alter the center of mass.


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Re: Making Roundnose Perform Better? [Re: rrretiree7] #5262259 11/09/19 01:35 AM
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Could create fracturing ammo that fractures upon impact creating several wounding tracks. How do you think a district attorney is going to frame that up for a jury of your peers?

"The defendant couldn't just use regular ammo. No, he modified his ammo to be super deadly exploding killer bullets. "

Just buy factory ammo.

If it's for shooting birds or squirrels then knock yourself out.


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Re: Making Roundnose Perform Better? [Re: rrretiree7] #5262261 11/09/19 02:16 AM
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Backin the day,I used to modify.22 ammo with PacoKelly's "nasty noze tools.

My rifle liked CCI blue box,and with the tool I could make a semi flatnose (better target cutting and impact on small animals), all the way to what was basically a SWC deep hollow point, without changing the POI...clipping the top changed the POI ,the reforming jig didn't...bumping the OD up a little also helped accuracy.

If you are modifying factoryammo for self defence, then you areacting with intent...which doesn't look good.


If it's the truth....it can handle the pressure !!!
Re: Making Roundnose Perform Better? [Re: Shannow] #5262267 11/09/19 03:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Shannow


If you are modifying factoryammo for self defence, then you areacting with intent...which doesn't look good.


What?
People reload all the time which is technically modifying factory ammo? I have seen plenty of FMJ labeled casings with FTX heads...
Also, people reload 45LC (and others) with homemade lead cast heads all the time? What's the difference between someone casting a lead bullet with the X pattern or them doing it to another brand of ammo?

I'm far from a lawyer but,
Intent technically starts the moment you buy the ammo, actually the moment you buy the weapon you intend to defend yourself with it if the need arises...

Anyway, the only issue I can honestly see when it comes to tooling around with already loaded ammo is that one wrong move and that thing can go boom.

Edit: also, OP, I think if the X mark worked better, these ammo companies with millions of dollars in research and development would be making them that way.

Pick up some Hornady Critical Defense, American Gunner, or Winchester Ranger you're worried about inadequate ammo

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Re: Making Roundnose Perform Better? [Re: GumbyJarvis] #5262273 11/09/19 04:29 AM
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Technically...of course...

imagine a lawyer,describing that the defendant sat over a projectile,critically sculpting a projectile to inflict more lethal damage...versus bought a box of self defense ammo.

In spite of what you and I know regarding the efficacy of either


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Re: Making Roundnose Perform Better? [Re: rrretiree7] #5262276 11/09/19 04:40 AM
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The only way to improve performance on old weak .32 revolver rounds is to buy another gun in another caliber.


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Re: Making Roundnose Perform Better? [Re: Shannow] #5262279 11/09/19 04:56 AM
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Originally Posted by bubbatime
How do you think a district attorney is going to frame that up for a jury of your peers? "The defendant couldn't just use regular ammo. No, he modified his ammo to be super deadly exploding killer bullets."

Originally Posted by Shannow
.......If you are modifying factoryammo for self defence, then you are acting with intent...which doesn't look good.

I hear this argued a lot. Especially about using reloads / handloads for self defense. While it sounds like a plausible argument, that a prosecutor might try to pick up on, in order to make someone look bad. (Mostly if there isn't anything else on the table that would). Can anyone site an actual case where a defendant in a self defense shooting trial was actually convicted because of using handloads, or "modified ammunition"? Or even having it be a contributing factor?

I'm not saying it never happened. But if it has, I've never seen, read, or heard of it. And this topic comes up constantly on self defense forums every day. It's a non logical argument, because any defense attorney could either argue himself, or else bring in someone well versed on the subject, and explain the whole theory away in 5 minutes by applying common sense.

Anyone who handloads buys their bullets from the same outfits that make the exact same bullets that go into most all modern self defense ammunition. It quickly becomes a non issue from a lethality standpoint over who assembles the rounds. Besides, most handloading manuals published today are watered down to the point factory "+P" self defense ammunition is stronger. Especially when you factor in the powder the ammo makers use. Which is a canister grade that is custom tuned for low flash, and better short barreled performance. Handloaders can't even purchase the stuff if they so desired.

And as far as, "modifying ammo". What could some clown do with a file and a drill in his garage, that would out perform what a multi million dollar ammunition manufacturer like Winchester or Hornady can produce? With a room full of ballistic engineers, and hundreds of thousands of dollars of laboratory grade test equipment? The whole argument is preposterous.

I'm not suggesting to use reloads. In fact, I selected my self defense ammo by asking a Phoenix cop what their department uses..... Which at the time were Speer Gold Dots. So that's what I keep my self defense handguns loaded with.

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https://www.sgammo.com/product/32-s...acketed-hollow-point-magtech-ammo-32swlc

it is a under powered round , cutting a "X" isn't going to do much but get your tail in a crack. If do insist on using a .32, the above is better than a sharp stick.


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Re: Making Roundnose Perform Better? [Re: rrretiree7] #5262301 11/09/19 05:54 AM
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I remember an Ayoob column from years ago where he said that it is better from a legal point of view to have a hammerless revolver that can only be shot double action than a revolver with a hammer that can be fired single action. Why? Because of intent that a lawyer can point out to a jury if you shoot an intruder or an attacker. By cocking the hammer on a revolver before the shooting, you have shown your intent to shoot the person as soon as you cock the hammer and this can take it from self defense to a pre-meditated act. So I am always conscious of this and use a hammerless revolver as a carry gun/ home defense gun.


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Re: Making Roundnose Perform Better? [Re: Boomer] #5262312 11/09/19 06:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Boomer
I remember an Ayoob column from years ago where he said that it is better from a legal point of view to have a hammerless revolver that can only be shot double action than a revolver with a hammer that can be fired single action. Why? Because of intent that a lawyer can point out to a jury if you shoot an intruder or an attacker. By cocking the hammer on a revolver before the shooting, you have shown your intent to shoot the person as soon as you cock the hammer and this can take it from self defense to a pre-meditated act. So I am always conscious of this and use a hammerless revolver as a carry gun/ home defense gun.

Unless it's an outright accident, how can you possibly discharge a weapon at someone without intent? Any prosecutor could argue you have shown "intent" as soon as your gun clears leather. When a cop in the field takes his gun out of it's holster, his reasoning isn't to make the perp healthier.

Does a person carrying a 1911 in Condition 1, show more "intent" than the same guy carrying in Condition 2?

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Originally Posted by rrretiree7
Is there any truth to the tip of cutting an X into a lead roundnose for better performance? Thank you


No.

It won’t help.

You want a good performing bullet? Then buy factory ammo designed to optimize performance.

Here: https://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_list&c=141


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Re: Making Roundnose Perform Better? [Re: rrretiree7] #5262349 11/09/19 07:25 AM
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Simple people, you empty ALL of your rounds into the fool, then your INTENT was you feared for your life. nobody gives a [censored] about the action, just make sure the accuser is dead.

Yeah a "x" shape would help, the round is underpowed, but I WOULD NOT CUT IT into the bullet, I would do a lead pour and have the "x" shape in the casting, to prevent fractures. Pouring lead bullets is easy, the mold is usually wood.

Just something you need to try, and I would shoot many rounds at the range, if you do cut, then you need some sort of jig, so the "x" will be consistent. You want consistency here.

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Re: Making Roundnose Perform Better? [Re: rrretiree7] #5262448 11/09/19 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by rrretiree7
Is there any truth to the tip of cutting an X into a lead roundnose for better performance? Thank you

Dude... REALLY... please just get a pistol better suited to your purposes which appears to be CC. That museum piece you have, however 'classic' and 'interesting', should not be relied upon for personal defense.

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The 32s&w has a nominal mv of 600 fps os it will make very little difference.


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