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Re: Brake Pad Comparison [Re: JeffKeryk] #5260131 11/06/19 05:47 PM
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We do not know if these pads had similar Coefficient of Friction (C.F.) so I don't believe one can develop anything out of the simulation unless all of the pads were the same (e.g. FE, FF, etc from Chase Test)

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Re: Brake Pad Comparison [Re: pitzel] #5260138 11/06/19 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by pitzel
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Yes, the rotors were turned.


I didn't know anybody did that anymore, at least in first world countries.


My car's factory service manual says explicitly to not to ever resurface the rotors unless there's an identifiable customer complaint. Not sure where this 'turning' or 'replacing' rotors business as a matter of ordinary routine (rather than to correct an actual problem) came from, other than salesmanship of the car repair industry.

Most front rotors have some amount of thickness variation when it is time for pad replacement.


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Re: Brake Pad Comparison [Re: The Critic] #5260156 11/06/19 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by The Critic
Originally Posted by pitzel
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Originally Posted by WhizkidTN

Yes, the rotors were turned.


I didn't know anybody did that anymore, at least in first world countries.


My car's factory service manual says explicitly to not to ever resurface the rotors unless there's an identifiable customer complaint. Not sure where this 'turning' or 'replacing' rotors business as a matter of ordinary routine (rather than to correct an actual problem) came from, other than salesmanship of the car repair industry.

Most front rotors have some amount of thickness variation when it is time for pad replacement.

While it is not always necessary to resurface rotors (aka pad slap) it is nice to true them up.
At least that's my experience.


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Re: Brake Pad Comparison [Re: SirTanon] #5260175 11/06/19 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by SirTanon
I do have to wonder how applicable many of the tests are to real-world use. I mean, sure, there ARE places in the USA where corrosion is a serious concern, and I'm sure there are vehicles who see similar brake wear and abuse.. but how many? Yes, these tests are meant to represent the absolute worst-case scenario, and it's good to know how that could impact my ability to stop in a bad situation, but what's the over/under of that situation happening with the average commuter?

I can assure you that, here in over-salted Maryland, there is a large population of lower income car drivers who replace, or get replaced, their brake pads with the cheapest available, and then drive them until the noise becomes unbearable, or they fail outright.


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Re: Brake Pad Comparison [Re: The Critic] #5260621 11/07/19 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by The Critic
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Yes, the rotors were turned.


I didn't know anybody did that anymore, at least in first world countries.

Out here, most dealerships (for Asian brands) will resurface the rotors with their brake jobs, usually with an on-car lathe. $350-$425/axle for new OE pads and resurfaced rotors is the market rate in my area.

One can get brand new pads and rotors for that money including labor at decent indy shop.
Last fall I got EBC rotors and Green stuff pads for $212. let's say I gave it to some indy shop (which I did not), they would charge, what? 1hrs of labor? Plus these are far better performance wise than Toyota OE.


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Re: Brake Pad Comparison [Re: edyvw] #5260644 11/07/19 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by edyvw
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Originally Posted by WhizkidTN

Yes, the rotors were turned.


I didn't know anybody did that anymore, at least in first world countries.

Out here, most dealerships (for Asian brands) will resurface the rotors with their brake jobs, usually with an on-car lathe. $350-$425/axle for new OE pads and resurfaced rotors is the market rate in my area.

One can get brand new pads and rotors for that money including labor at decent indy shop.
Last fall I got EBC rotors and Green stuff pads for $212. let's say I gave it to some indy shop (which I did not), they would charge, what? 1hrs of labor? Plus these are far better performance wise than Toyota OE.

Not around here. Book time is 2 hr per axle and everyone will want a healthy parts mark up on top of the labor.


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Re: Brake Pad Comparison [Re: The Critic] #5260671 11/07/19 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by The Critic

Not around here. Book time is 2 hr per axle and everyone will want a healthy parts mark up on top of the labor.

Well, this was bought online. I get that most people do not buy stuff like this online, and that they like to just drive to delership and do it, but at least members here should know better.
So, even if it is 2hrs labor, and I lived in CA, it comes close to what you listed as price, just with brand new parts.

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Re: Brake Pad Comparison [Re: edyvw] #5260690 11/07/19 10:46 AM
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Not around here. Book time is 2 hr per axle and everyone will want a healthy parts mark up on top of the labor.

Well, this was bought online. I get that most people do not buy stuff like this online, and that they like to just drive to delership and do it, but at least members here should know better.
So, even if it is 2hrs labor, and I lived in CA, it comes close to what you listed as price, just with brand new parts.

That’s a little different.

But still, shop labor rates range from $150-200/hr, and a lot of shops will either not touch this job due to customer supplied parts, or they’ll up the labor even more to make up for the lack of parts profit. Not everyone will menu-price brakes.


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Re: Brake Pad Comparison [Re: pitzel] #5260821 11/07/19 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by pitzel
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Originally Posted by WhizkidTN

Yes, the rotors were turned.


I didn't know anybody did that anymore, at least in first world countries.


My car's factory service manual says explicitly to not to ever resurface the rotors unless there's an identifiable customer complaint. Not sure where this 'turning' or 'replacing' rotors business as a matter of ordinary routine (rather than to correct an actual problem) came from, other than salesmanship of the car repair industry.


That's what PFC, AP Racing, and Brembo engineers say too when the topic of turning rotors comes up. Basically if I recall correctly it was along the times of "we have a $100,000 machine dedicated to this and you go to some guy with a $3000 lathe and expect the quality to be the same?"

Re: Brake Pad Comparison [Re: The Critic] #5261660 11/08/19 10:21 AM
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This was interesting to see how brakes can be tested. But not knowing what the brands are is frustrating.
At least it seemed fair in the fact that the mid quality tested reasonably well.
Why would they even manufacture low quality brakes. Why would anyone cheap out on brakes.

From what I recognize, the OE pads look like front pads for a Honda....most likely an Accord.

Of the aftermarket pads, the mid-tier option looks like a Duralast Gold pad that someone removed the logo from.

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It is very interesting. About the only conclusion you can take away is that the test sponser (NRS) makes a very good brake pad. We know nothing about the other pads and we can not assume from the test that all budget pads are bad nor that all aftermarket mid and top tier pads are better or worse than NRS and/or OEM.

The test fails to prove that you get what you pay for regarding all brake pad brands.

This is true. However, the test confirmed what I suspected - OE is generally a very safe choice.


Good eye and choice. Keep it simple, when in doubt, go OE.

Re: Brake Pad Comparison [Re: JeffKeryk] #5262191 11/08/19 10:17 PM
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So which brake pad brands/models are known to be OE or better in performance? There's a consensus on Akebono. What else would you guys use over OE?

Re: Brake Pad Comparison [Re: JeffKeryk] #5262217 11/08/19 10:43 PM
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Wagner Thermoquiets. Love them. Better than any OEM I have had. Low dust and good life, without being so hard they eat the rotor.

Re: Brake Pad Comparison [Re: nobb] #5262244 11/08/19 11:59 PM
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So which brake pad brands/models are known to be OE or better in performance? There's a consensus on Akebono. What else would you guys use over OE?

Akebono is solid manufacturer, however, they are IMO that "touring" category. I had them once, took them off after 3k.
TMD (Textar, Pagid), ATE, TRW, EBC, Brembo. That is just what I could remember now.
TMD by the way is largest OE supplier.


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Re: Brake Pad Comparison [Re: JeffKeryk] #5262252 11/09/19 12:35 AM
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Another vote for Wagner here. I've used Thermoquiets on various family and friends cars. And I have OEX on my Escape... They stop well and are silent, although quite a bit of brake dust, although that might have more to do with my driving style than the brakes.


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Re: Brake Pad Comparison [Re: JeffKeryk] #5262260 11/09/19 01:59 AM
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Akebono??? = $$$$

Brembo??? = $$$$$

for highest value per dollar is BOSCH QuietCast Ceramic

they brake like a dream, solid and confident


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