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Re: Headline: Chevron unveils a lubricants ‘game changer’ [Re: 21Rouge] #5261292 11/08/19 12:23 AM
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Full disclosure: I'll be running this next summer's towing season because I'm a sucker for new oils.

That said,

1) Does the "significantly reduced DPF clogging" mean that it results in less regens?

2) What's the normal expected service life of a DPF? I need to know so I can fill in x. X•2.5=New Expected Service Life

3) What the heck is synthetic technology? (rhetorical question, don't answer)

All questions are asked with a modern diesel pick-up truck in mind.

P.S. I walked in to an AutoZone this morning and walked out without buying any of their clearance items! Big deal for me because an oil stash doesn't work well when you're always itching to try the next newest thing.

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Re: Headline: Chevron unveils a lubricants ‘game changer’ [Re: 21Rouge] #5261400 11/08/19 07:19 AM
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Along with the DPF would this make for a cleaner EGR and Intake?

Re: Headline: Chevron unveils a lubricants ‘game changer’ [Re: 21Rouge] #5261420 11/08/19 07:50 AM
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I am cautiously excited to hear about this. Not so much as the one branded product, but how the competitive market will respond in general. Often where one goes, others eventually follow ...
Anything that can reduce the PM (particulate matter) loading in the exhaust stream is likely to enhance the longevity of the DPF and all the associated equipment, as well as perhaps reduce regen cycles (saving fuel and annoying events).

If one combined this type of lube successfully with a FBC (fuel borne catalyst, such as BetterDiesel), would that make regens very infrequent? Essentially, if the oil has the ability to reduce SA, and the FBC improves the combustion such that PM is lower, would that not be a great boon to the diesel driven fleet??? If so, THAT could be an entire new game, not just a game changer.

My disdain for modern diesels is based on not only the obscene cost, but the incessant regens and the $$$ of the equipment that support the entire DPF process. If the FBC and lower SA oils could combine to significantly reduce the overall PM loading, then the equipment could be downsized (it would not be eliminated, but it could be made smaller to save space/weight/money and yet still have a reasonable lifespan).




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The act of preventative maintenance, in and of itself, is FAR MORE important than brand/grade/base choices among lubes and filters.
- under maintaining something is akin to abuse/neglect; that can kill equipment by shortening the lifespan
- over maintaining something has never been proven to be anything but a waste of time and money
New oil with no Zinc or Phosphorus #5261428 11/08/19 07:56 AM
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Thought this was interesting. An oil without those two components, I wonder how it will do.
Light-bulb moment leads to low-ash-producing oil from Chevron


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Re: New oil with no Zinc or Phosphorus [Re: Rat407] #5261484 11/08/19 08:46 AM
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Im guessing this will not be dual rated? How will this oil fare in non DPF engines?

Re: New oil with no Zinc or Phosphorus [Re: Rat407] #5261536 11/08/19 09:25 AM
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Probably not relevant , but the first thing that popped into my mind , not for flat tappet applications .


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Re: New oil with no Zinc or Phosphorus [Re: Rat407] #5261617 11/08/19 10:27 AM
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Wonder how the test labs will keep up with this?

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Re: New oil with no Zinc or Phosphorus [Re: Rat407] #5261621 11/08/19 10:32 AM
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hmmm... no ZDDP. They must be using something like polymeric esters. I want to see some SRV and Sequence IVA results.


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Re: New oil with no Zinc or Phosphorus [Re: csandste] #5261623 11/08/19 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by csandste
Wonder how the test labs will keep up with this?

It makes performance approvals and specifications even more important (which they already were but people still thought they could predict the future performance of a motor oil via a $35 elemental analysis.)


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Re: New oil with no Zinc or Phosphorus [Re: csandste] #5261645 11/08/19 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by csandste
Wonder how the test labs will keep up with this?


They already don't....

Re: New oil with no Zinc or Phosphorus [Re: tundraotto] #5261743 11/08/19 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by tundraotto
They already don't....

In what way? How is a lab that tests for Mercedes Benz or Porsche approvals affected? Even API SN or GF-5 is agnostic to these additives.

Unless you are saying that a "test lab" is one that produces the UOA seen on here? That's not a "test lab."


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Re: New oil with no Zinc or Phosphorus [Re: Rat407] #5261815 11/08/19 02:44 PM
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Under the category of ...

Interesting. You go first ... !


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Re: New oil with no Zinc or Phosphorus [Re: Rat407] #5261845 11/08/19 03:25 PM
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Referring to oil analysis only showing the standard Zinc, Phosphorus, Boron, Calcium, Molybdenum etc. type additives....some show antimony etc. There are numerous OTHER additives in oil mfg's add packs that don't show up on the analysis at all.

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Re: New oil with no Zinc or Phosphorus [Re: tundraotto] #5261890 11/08/19 04:23 PM
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Okay yeah that's what I thought you meant.


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Re: New oil with no Zinc or Phosphorus [Re: Rat407] #5261997 11/08/19 07:11 PM
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They are touting clean ring lands and pistons. I'm guessing some ester along with the .4 ash will be a boon to OTR diesels.

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