Recent Topics
Apple Watch users
by madRiver - 11/14/19 03:05 PM
It's here, arrived early still 1 week to wait
by BeerCan - 11/14/19 02:20 PM
Cooling leaks at hose to housing connections
by Fitz98 - 11/14/19 12:53 PM
Mercedes coolant mixed
by Rohan - 11/14/19 12:49 PM
Lady takes her oil seriously
by Marco620 - 11/14/19 12:25 PM
Bypass oil filter problem
by mario49 - 11/14/19 12:14 PM
2001 Toyota Sequoia
by Tlhfirelion - 11/14/19 11:02 AM
Creation date
by Duffyjr - 11/14/19 10:36 AM
Rescuing a critically sluged 6.4 F-350
by NDServices - 11/14/19 10:02 AM
New Fram boxes
by FordBroncoVWJeta - 11/14/19 10:00 AM
My dad bought a 2017 F150.
by dan_erickson - 11/14/19 09:52 AM
You ever spray paint inside the house?
by atikovi - 11/14/19 09:48 AM
recent experience with Adv Auto
by windeye - 11/14/19 08:59 AM
Lifted Trucks
by Passport1 - 11/14/19 08:56 AM
Fleet oil intervals to save money?
by Todd00000 - 11/14/19 08:44 AM
Motive power brake bleeder
by Redright9 - 11/14/19 08:25 AM
*GRAPHENE* a new oil-additive????
by cadchris - 11/14/19 08:21 AM
Newest Members
contraption22, Caydel, Bull58, Koncrete_Cam, DirtyTony
69863 Registered Users
Who's Online Now
115 registered members (28oz, 53' Stude, 2003f7, Aichiguy, 2010Civic, 9 invisible), 2,040 guests, and 26 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Forum Statistics
Forums67
Topics297,414
Posts5,115,049
Members69,863
Most Online3,589
Nov 2nd, 2019
Donate to BITOG
Print Thread
Hop To
Page 1 of 2 1 2
VW High Performance Gear Oil #5249833 10/25/19 12:31 PM
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 74
S
sohccammer427 Offline OP
OP Offline
S
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 74
2015 VW Passat 6 Speed

The VW service guy confirmed that G052527A2 is the correct fluid for my 6 speed manual. It's kinda pricey, around $45/qt, so I thought I'd search for some alternatives. But being a VW fluid, VW appears to not tell much about their gear oils (unless I just can't find the specs).

I'd like to know the weight of this stuff and if it's a GL4 or GL5 if anyone out there has info. It's labeled as a high performance gear oil and from what little I can determine by looking at some compatibles, it may be a GL5.



[Linked Image]
[Linked Image]


2015 VW Passat TDi 6 Speed Manual
2017 Colorado Duramax
Re: VW High Performance Gear Oil [Re: sohccammer427] #5249863 10/25/19 01:10 PM
Joined: Apr 2014
Posts: 1,184
G
geeman789 Offline
Offline
G
Joined: Apr 2014
Posts: 1,184
$ 45 per quart seems REALLY EXPENSIVE for manual transmission oil. You might want to look around at some other brands. Even boutique stuff like Redline is under $ 20 a quart.


2011 SUBARU Impreza 5-door manual / 2016 HONDA Pilot / 2011 MAZDA 2 auto
Re: VW High Performance Gear Oil [Re: geeman789] #5249879 10/25/19 01:33 PM
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 74
S
sohccammer427 Offline OP
OP Offline
S
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 74
Originally Posted by geeman789
$ 45 per quart seems REALLY EXPENSIVE for manual transmission oil. You might want to look around at some other brands. Even boutique stuff like Redline is under $ 20 a quart.

Yes, that is my goal. Just trying to get an idea of what is a suitable sub. Maybe some folks in Europe may be able to shed some light on this elusive concoction.


2015 VW Passat TDi 6 Speed Manual
2017 Colorado Duramax
Re: VW High Performance Gear Oil [Re: sohccammer427] #5249884 10/25/19 01:48 PM
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 6,061
S
skyactiv Offline
Offline
S
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 6,061
That price is absurd. GL5 fluid sucks in a FWD transmission. My wifes Audi A4 quattro is a stick and the genuine fluid was $22 a quart.
I think the fluid number specified for your Passat is a GL4 75W90. Many other VW's use a lighter GL4 fluid in their manual transmissions. GL5 is nothing you want in a FWD manual transmission is it's too slippery for the blocker rings to allow you to shift fast without the occasional gear crunch.


Wife: 15' Audi A4 quattro 6 speed manual
Sold: 13' VW GTI 3 door 6 speed manual
Me: 18' Elantra Sport 6 speed manual


Re: VW High Performance Gear Oil [Re: sohccammer427] #5249888 10/25/19 01:51 PM
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 6,061
S
skyactiv Offline
Offline
S
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 6,061
ECS Tuning is really knowledgeable and will know the proper fluid and list/sell substitute fluids. Keep in mind your VW is an American VW, NOT a European Passat which is a different car with a different drivetrain.


Wife: 15' Audi A4 quattro 6 speed manual
Sold: 13' VW GTI 3 door 6 speed manual
Me: 18' Elantra Sport 6 speed manual


Re: VW High Performance Gear Oil [Re: sohccammer427] #5249924 10/25/19 02:47 PM
Joined: Jan 2016
Posts: 397
B
barryh Offline
Offline
B
Joined: Jan 2016
Posts: 397
Not familiar with that that specific oil but just an observation about viscosity.

If the oil for my Mercedes 6 speed manual is anything to go by then it will be a relatively thin oil. Modern MTL oils seem to be vastly thinner than something like a 75W90. They don't use oil that thick anymore even in the diff which has a 75W85 spec.

My gearbox is specified for a 75W MTL with a viscosity of 7 cSt at 100 Deg C and 36 cSt at 40 Deg C


I just had a stab at looking up a 2015 Passat in the UK Opie oils web site which is well respected. It came back with a 75W MTL. You could enter your exact model but I suspect it will be the same.

oil spec




Barry

1979 BMW R45 (Triple QX 5W40)
2009 Mercedes C180K (MB oil 229.5 5W40)
Re: VW High Performance Gear Oil [Re: sohccammer427] #5249938 10/25/19 02:59 PM
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 20,538
MolaKule Offline
Global Moderator
Offline
Global Moderator
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 20,538
Have it analyzed as a VOA so we can see both the viscosity and the additive signature, that way we can recommend alternatives.

Quote
I just had a stab at looking up a 2015 Passat in the UK Opie oils web site which is well respected. It came back with a 75W MTL. You could enter your exact model but I suspect it will be the same.


But, a 75WXX what? That doesn't tell us anything about the viscosity range.

Last edited by MolaKule; 10/25/19 03:03 PM.

For every action there is an equal and opposite opposite criticism. shrug
Re: VW High Performance Gear Oil [Re: sohccammer427] #5249945 10/25/19 03:08 PM
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 92
C
Click Offline
Offline
C
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 92
Try Amsoil.com and their look up guide. It appears that a 2015 6 speed Passat built before a certain date can use one of their Amsoil transmission fluid, or if it's a different 5 speed tranny,, a different screen recommends their transmission fluid for one date of its build but NOT another date of its build. Worth a try, if it fits, retail is just under $20 a quart. [u][/u]

Re: VW High Performance Gear Oil [Re: MolaKule] #5249952 10/25/19 03:20 PM
Joined: Jan 2016
Posts: 397
B
barryh Offline
Offline
B
Joined: Jan 2016
Posts: 397
Originally Posted by MolaKule


But, a 75WXX what? That doesn't tell us anything about the viscosity range.



Just 75W - for example Castrol SYNTRANS FE 75W. There is also a Febi 75W and Fuchs 75W

Some other alternatives are labelled 75W80 but they are a little thicker than the Castrol FE 75W


Barry

1979 BMW R45 (Triple QX 5W40)
2009 Mercedes C180K (MB oil 229.5 5W40)
Re: VW High Performance Gear Oil [Re: sohccammer427] #5249962 10/25/19 03:38 PM
Joined: Apr 2012
Posts: 11,417
W
wemay Offline
Offline
W
Joined: Apr 2012
Posts: 11,417


2018 KIA Sportage LX AWD
MSS 5W30, PL14459

2013 Hyundai Santa Fe Sport 2.0T
M1AP 5W30, OEM
Re: VW High Performance Gear Oil [Re: sohccammer427] #5249968 10/25/19 03:44 PM
Joined: Dec 2018
Posts: 435
F
Farnsworth Offline
Offline
F
Joined: Dec 2018
Posts: 435
I wouldn't trust what a service guy says 100%. Maybe the parts dept if they actually verify it. Oil bottles should have some info labels on them as to what's inside. Nice to know what's inside what we buy. Chevron Delo xdm 75w-90 exceeds GL 5 GL 4 and MT 1. It meets extended 500,000 mile heavy truck drain intervals. I got some at AZ for under $8/qt.
Or look in the owners or shop manual for more specifics if they have them.

Re: VW High Performance Gear Oil [Re: sohccammer427] #5249973 10/25/19 03:50 PM
Joined: Sep 2017
Posts: 290
C
Cdn17Sport6MT Offline
Offline
C
Joined: Sep 2017
Posts: 290
Folks, I am adding-in some graphics, here... with some of them possibly being contentious. Comments, please... I note that some of the snips are from quite a while ago. I have heard good of Redline MTL (or MTF)... 75W-80, but the notion of the segregation-out of the additives has me concerned.

The snip I like the best... is the one from VW that says the choice of an MTL is a balancing act. What feels nicest, may not be the kindest on the rolling element bearings or on the gear-flanks.

For whatever reason I cannot seem to add-on the graphics in my original post... but only when I edit it. So please bear with me...

1 - Shift Feel vs Oil Quality - What VW Says.JPGRedline 1.JPGRedline 2.jpgRedline 3.JPGRedline 4.JPGRedline 5.jpgRedline 6.jpgRedline 7.jpg
Last edited by Cdn17Sport6MT; 10/25/19 03:51 PM.

Mazda6 GX (Sport in the 'States), 6MT, 2017
Moto Guzzi 850 T5 (Euro version), 1985
Honda Civic Si (EX 2 dr. in the 'States), A/T, 1997
Toyota Camry CE, 5MT, 1999
VW (Type2) Kombi, 4MT, 1979
Re: VW High Performance Gear Oil [Re: sohccammer427] #5249983 10/25/19 04:06 PM
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 37
W
Wheel366 Offline
Offline
W
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 37
I used Redline Mt-90 in both my 2004 6spd A4 and my 1995 5spd pathfinder. In the cold (25 and below), the car felt like I was shifting through mud. After it warmed up it was much better. For the A4 I ended up going back to OEM fluid and all was right again the world. I didn't expect that from a fluid that was supposed to be good down to -54.

I would check out ECS as mentioned before. Sometimes they have OEM equivalent fluids that are cheaper.

Re: VW High Performance Gear Oil [Re: sohccammer427] #5249996 10/25/19 04:25 PM
Joined: Apr 2004
Posts: 8,288
P
pbm Offline
Offline
P
Joined: Apr 2004
Posts: 8,288
$45 a quart for MTF....another reason not to buy a VW....


'Journalism is Dead'
Re: VW High Performance Gear Oil [Re: pbm] #5250044 10/25/19 05:45 PM
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 6,836
rooflessVW Online Content
Online Content
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 6,836
Originally Posted by pbm
$45 a quart for MTF....another reason not to buy a VW....

Oh yeah, $45 every 50k miles or so is really going to break the bank.


"Zed's dead baby, Zed's dead."
Page 1 of 2 1 2
Previous Thread
Index
Next Thread

BOB IS THE OIL GUY® Powered by UBB.threads™