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Re: Installing your own winter tires [Re: Snagglefoot] #5239472 10/14/19 03:29 PM
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If a functioning TPMS system is important to you, many of today's vehicles will require a trip to the shop for programming every time you swap tires/wheels with sensors anyway. Subaru is one of them that will only "remember" 4 wheels/sensors at a time. Maybe a set of snows would work if you cloned the OEM set somehow.

As it sits, I've got 3 full sets of snow tires stacked in the garage for our three cars. Two sets are on wheels. It's a pain, but sure helps when you need them.


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Re: Installing your own winter tires [Re: Snagglefoot] #5239559 10/14/19 05:32 PM
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Mine are in the basement-full sets for the xB & Cherokee, 2 rear studs for the GMC, 10 wheels/tires to wrestle in & out every winter & spring. The way winters have been lately, I've been tempted to sell them, I didn't put my Mom's winters on her Matrix last year, left them in her garage.


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Re: Installing your own winter tires [Re: Snagglefoot] #5239573 10/14/19 05:58 PM
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Have 4 mounted sets ready to swap once the weather shows its time to do it.
Have 2 new cars and 2 new sets of studded winters to go with the cars - Hakka 9s.
1st time using studs, should be interesting, been Blizzaks up to this winter.


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Re: Installing your own winter tires [Re: Snagglefoot] #5239608 10/14/19 06:40 PM
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Yes, and I mount them to the rims, and program the TPMS. Quite the hassle. But it saves wear on the tire's beads and surprise leaks. I pre-mount the next set of tires and let them sit around a while to monitor their air retention.

I don't combine the job with any other work, because I usually wait until the night before the first forecast snow, and hurry through it.

Re: Installing your own winter tires [Re: Snagglefoot] #5239610 10/14/19 06:41 PM
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easy swap on premounted setups + getting a smaller narrower setup of the same diameter is cheaper + better. the best snow car i ever had was a 2001 jetta FWD 5 spd manual 1.8T, 200 thou safe reliable miles running 4 195-65-15 real snow tyres, summers were OE 205-55-16 i believe later i ran 225 45-17 i believe. many tyre sites show a correct downsize aka -1 or -2. i passed many struggling AWD +4 wd vehicles with all season but winter tyres + surely stopped better as well, something AWD or 4 WD does NOTHING for!!

Re: Installing your own winter tires [Re: Snagglefoot] #5239642 10/14/19 07:07 PM
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I’ve been swapping wheels/tires since the mid-90’s. For the past 5 years I have been able to mount & balance my own assemblies so I’m a bit spoiled.

This will be the first year of not having a separate set of wheels/tires for winter. I took the factory tires off my car at 850 miles so that’s the plan unless I find a smoking deal on snows...soon. The PSS tires will not work under 45F.

Don’t forget to clean the hub-face and the wheel center-bore for good centering!


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Re: Installing your own winter tires [Re: Snagglefoot] #5239653 10/14/19 07:16 PM
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Yes I swap over to my snow tire/wheels on the 4x4 truck every November and back off in the spring. Usually takes 30-40 minutes with impact, jack stands and jack. Then torque lug nuts to spec.


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Re: Installing your own winter tires [Re: benhen77] #5239657 10/14/19 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by benhen77
Originally Posted by Snagglefoot
Originally Posted by WyrTwister
I too thought the OP was swapping tires on wheels . Seems he / she is talking about swapping wheel / tire units .


Yes, most folks who have winter tires up here, keep them on separate rims. For the apartment dwellers, a lot of the tire shops will store your summer / winter sets in a warehouse for a fee. For the folks that have larger garage, we buy a tire rack and keep them in the corner of the garage. smile

Or if you're like I was a few years ago, you drag 4 wheels and tires up to the third floor and stick them in the closet of your 1 BR apartment. LOL


I had multiple sets of tires stored on my 2nd floor balcony in my apartment. Was always expecting them to complain about it, but they never did


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Re: Installing your own winter tires [Re: Snagglefoot] #5240426 10/15/19 05:08 PM
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I switch between my 3 sets of tires, back and forth, all by myself, all the while looking over my shoulder for the HOA's draconian KGB agents who will fine you insane amounts if they catch you with your car on a jack/jack stands, YES, even in your own driveway.

This leaves me very little time to do anything else under the car (like hitting any rust areas with POR-15, etc.) but I do it anyway, albeit hurriedly.

Oil changes/catch can drains are a real adventure under these conditions, as one might imagine. frown mad


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Re: Installing your own winter tires [Re: Snagglefoot] #5240510 10/15/19 06:16 PM
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I have one set of mounted snows for my car, and a set of tires for my Son's car which isn't used much as he's at college. I like the convenience of being able to do the swap for my car whenever I want. I do see lines at the shop I use for my Son's tires for a couple days before our first predicted snow each year. I usually have plenty of time to to change my Son's car set before he's back on a break so I miss the lines.
That said, I do have the space and ability to swap mine and store them as well. I'm probably going to hunt up rims for my son when he's done with school to do the same for him.
They also end up torqued correctly my way.


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Re: Installing your own winter tires [Re: Snagglefoot] #5240608 10/15/19 07:25 PM
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I install my own, always have and will continue to until global warming makes it so I don't have to anymore.


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Re: Installing your own winter tires [Re: Snagglefoot] #5240951 10/16/19 06:34 AM
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I’ve been doing it on the non-AWD vehicles in my fleet since 2008. Gives me a chance to examine the tires, put anti-seize on the wheel hubs, properly torque the lug nuts, etc.
I get the mounted/balanced winter tires/wheels from Tire Rack and sell them on Craigslist as vehicles get replaced.


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Re: Installing your own winter tires [Re: Snagglefoot] #5240988 10/16/19 07:17 AM
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I do my own tire rotations too, so it's not a big deal. Winters are on their own set of rims, so putting winters on is less work than doing a tire rotation (rotation is 5 times to lift corners while snows is only 4). I try to bust apart the brakes at the same time winters go on or off, make sure everything is greased up and working properly; good time to run a bit of brake fluid through the lines too.

Getting tired of doing it on the truck though, not sure what those steel rims + tires weigh but dang if they aren't about the limit of what I can lift. Having to use two bottle jacks to lift the front end is kinda old too (need something like 13" of lift). I used to have to lift all 4 into the truck, then drive around the house to a flat spot to do the job, not sure how bad it will be at my new house, other than the truck won't fit into the garage to do this job.

I have installed tires onto rims but still haven't found a tire balancer that I'm willing to pay for--otherwise I'd do that too.


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Re: Installing your own winter tires [Re: benjy] #5244129 10/19/19 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by benjy
easy swap on premounted setups + getting a smaller narrower setup of the same diameter is cheaper + better. the best snow car i ever had was a 2001 jetta FWD 5 spd manual 1.8T, 200 thou safe reliable miles running 4 195-65-15 real snow tyres, summers were OE 205-55-16 i believe later i ran 225 45-17 i believe. many tyre sites show a correct downsize aka -1 or -2. i passed many struggling AWD +4 wd vehicles with all season but winter tyres + surely stopped better as well, something AWD or 4 WD does NOTHING for!!

A common misconception.

Keeping the wheels turning while braking lessens the chance of wheel lockup in the first place, and increases the chance of regaining control after loss of traction. This is particularly true of AWD systems where active wheel control is trying to match wheel speed to vehicle speed on your behalf.


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