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Possible WIX failure?!? What could have happened? #5239825 10/14/19 10:48 PM
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My sister came over Friday so I could check her oil. I have to check every 1,000 miles or so because it has a long history of burning and a little leaking (Honda K24). She can barely be bothered to even bring it to me for 5 minutes, much less check it herself. She pulls it into my garage and proceeds to tell me how she started her car on her lunch and noticed her oil light was flashing, and thought nothing of it because she was coming over later that day anyway duh (oh boy, I'm worried). She then proceeded to drive to two different places, then returned to work and ran the car until her lunch break was over (now I'm cringing). When she left, she said the light didn't return. She drove about 20 miles to my house (now I'm just scared). So I immediately raise the hood and check the level. Bone dry. So I added a quart of oil for insurance, set my ramps up, started it and quickly drove it up and shut it off. I proceed to crawl under, and there's oil everywhere. There was previously a tiny leak coming from between the motor and trans (main?), but nothing remotely close to this. The entire underside was soaked in fresh oil. The passenger control arm was soaked completely. The inner sidewall of the RF tire was soaked too. Long story short, it appears to have come from the oil filter. It started there and flowed every direction gravity/wind could pull it. It even appeared to defy gravity a bit by spattering/spraying upward, but it definitely wasn't leaking from above.

So I instantly started blaming myself. Did I double gasket it? Did I not tighten it enough? Well, instead of just changing the filter, she opted to do a full change. So I was able to find out. No, and no. Perfectly tight (aka not gorilla lube-tech tight), and one gasket. So that's out. And I know what's going to be asked, so what "perfectly tight" means is spinning it on until it touches and stops, then usually one full turn which is about as tight as I can turn it without really straining. Sometimes it'll only go 7/8 or 3/4 of a turn, but never less than 3/4. Surprisingly, I actually had to get out the band wrench to get it off, so yes, it was plenty tight. There was no damage on the outside of the filter, and once removed, nothing obvious inside either. Gasket did not look pinched/warped/bloated. Just nothing. Looked like new.

Surprisingly, roughly 3 quarts drained out of the sump (so it retained 2 out of 4.5, plus the quart I added). That was a sigh of relief. Looked like 1500 mile oil should in a HM engine, no metal flakes.

As for the details, it's an 07 Accord 2.4, 214K. Oil filter was installed 9/17 and had about 1,500 miles on it. Oil was Mobil Super HM 5W-20. With that mileage, of course it sees plenty of highway driving (>80%), but it does get idled frequently too. Unfortunately, it's also at the mercy of a lead-foot owner. Temperature this last week has been fairly nice, roughly 60-80°, with the exception of record cold on Thursday and Friday mornings (35 & 32°). But by the time her lunch came around it was in the 60s.

What could have gone wrong? I understand literally anything man-made can fail, but I have a hard time believing a WIX would. And if it looks perfectly fine, how did it fail? My theories: the gasket itself somehow leaked (highly doubt it), the bypass valve somehow failed and allowed too much pressure (maybe), or [wildcard] the oil pump went ballistic and forced too much pressure through it (maybe...?). I really don't know. I'm really weirded out at the problem disappearing on her drive home.

I'm at a loss, but I am definitely cracking this filter open for answers, and will keep this thread updated. What do the BITOG gods have to say? Pics below. My S9 camera makes the underside of the car look WAY cleaner than it actually was...

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Re: Possible WIX failure?!? What could have happened? [Re: tony1679] #5239828 10/14/19 10:57 PM
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Well... This is interesting... I recently had to replace my lady's Camry oil filter a Wix also... It had started seeping oil... From the gasket... It was the Wix 57145 oil filter on the Camry. It is the longer version that fits the car. Aka like a Fram 4386...

I put on a STP Premium oil filter 4967 on it. Just last night in fact. . .


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Re: Possible WIX failure?!? What could have happened? [Re: tony1679] #5239829 10/14/19 10:57 PM
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Most likely the base seam crimp leaked. Not the first time a Wix leaked at that point was reported on BITOG.

Re: Possible WIX failure?!? What could have happened? [Re: ZeeOSix] #5239831 10/14/19 11:01 PM
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Ahhh... That makes sense...


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Re: Possible WIX failure?!? What could have happened? [Re: tony1679] #5239833 10/14/19 11:12 PM
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My guess is the oil pressure relief valve is stuck closed. I can’t say I’ve heard of this happening but it seems to fit.

Re: Possible WIX failure?!? What could have happened? [Re: tony1679] #5239839 10/14/19 11:43 PM
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What's up with the badly drilled(?) hole and the tears(?) on the formed edges there?

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Re: Possible WIX failure?!? What could have happened? [Re: LvR] #5239840 10/14/19 11:49 PM
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Originally Posted by LvR
What's up with the badly drilled(?) hole and the tears(?) on the formed edges there?

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I think you have spotted the problem.


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Re: Possible WIX failure?!? What could have happened? [Re: tony1679] #5239843 10/15/19 12:04 AM
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Not so sure I would have missed something that obvious. I took several pictures that showed things that weren't really there. I'll take a close second look there tomorrow when I go back out there. Interesting though.

Re: Possible WIX failure?!? What could have happened? [Re: tony1679] #5239844 10/15/19 12:43 AM
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'The Oil light came on and I kept going'

Yep, that will make your heart drop to the basement. I had a long talk with my wife and kid about that after the wife ran her 2000 Accord without oil for about 20 miles. 'If you don't stop right then and call me, you will be walking everywhere because you're going to blow it up and I'm not buying another one'


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Re: Possible WIX failure?!? What could have happened? [Re: tony1679] #5239852 10/15/19 01:55 AM
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That was a major leak. It would have been worth whatever amount it took to fill it, and start it while you checked underneath while it was running. Seeing as it was leaking that much, it could have been easily spotted. Next time go with a Fram.

Re: Possible WIX failure?!? What could have happened? [Re: tony1679] #5239859 10/15/19 02:37 AM
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I would be calling Wix alerting them to the problem, and looking for compensation. At the very least they should be paying you for the oil and filter, or more depending on how you play it. Diagnostic time and cleaning up the mess including the oil leak onto your driveway, etc. isn't unreasonable imo. That's assuming there's no engine damage, which would be an entirely different and more expensive claim.


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Re: Possible WIX failure?!? What could have happened? [Re: dishdude] #5239897 10/15/19 05:11 AM
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Originally Posted by dishdude
Originally Posted by LvR
What's up with the badly drilled(?) hole and the tears(?) on the formed edges there?

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I think you have spotted the problem.


somebody took it out of the box at the store and dropped it?
or a manufacturing/handling error


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Re: Possible WIX failure?!? What could have happened? [Re: demarpaint] #5239899 10/15/19 05:15 AM
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One of the reasons I don't like the cover under our fusion that you remove to change the oil, you wouldn't see a drip from a leak. Of course I switched over to Wix filters recently so even though the OP's situation is probably a fluke deal I'll still be wondering about our ride.

Re: Possible WIX failure?!? What could have happened? [Re: tony1679] #5240031 10/15/19 08:07 AM
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I had Wix leak on subaru EJ253.

I blame the flat gasket that distorted when tightened.

Then I went to filters with P gasket - no leaks ever again.
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I wish you wiped the oil off the filter before you photographed it!

But send pix to Wix. You will at least get a free filter.

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Re: Possible WIX failure?!? What could have happened? [Re: tony1679] #5240048 10/15/19 08:29 AM
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I recently had the same experience on my 14'F150 with a RA champion filter. No visible sign of failure. I caught it early so no problem. I thought about the crimp around the base plate too???


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