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Non-DPF engine oil in Diesel BMW F10 #5239011 10/14/19 03:00 AM
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Hi, I have BMW f10 525d 2013 make with 65k KM on it, I have done engine oil change diy for the first time,
I brought 5.5 ltrs of Castrol Edge 5-W-40 for it. I have two queries regarding oil change I did.
The Castrol jugs that I brought were of BMW long-lige-01 spec, but I have heard that BMW recommends long-life-04 spec oil for diesel engine cars, but the problem is that no long-life-04 spec engine oil is available in my city
should I be worried running non-DPF oil in Diesel BMW 525?

The second query is that I brought three jugs of Castrol Edge 5-W-40, one of 3.5 ltr and two of 1 ltrs (since no packing of 5.25 ltrs was available)
3.5 ltr jug was labeled "5W40 A3/B4" and 2x 1 ltrs was labeled "5W40 SN"
are A3/B4 & SN same thing?


anything else you guys would like to recommend to a newbie that should be kept in mind while doing an oil change?

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Re: Non-DPF engine oil in Diesel BMW F10 [Re: L93013] #5239032 10/14/19 04:29 AM
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At a minimum you want an ACEA C3 / API CK-4 oil.


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Re: Non-DPF engine oil in Diesel BMW F10 [Re: rooflessVW] #5239047 10/14/19 05:12 AM
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Originally Posted by rooflessVW
At a minimum you want an ACEA C3 / API CK-4 oil.


+1

ACEA C3 for sure. In addition these oils will very likely have Mercedes Benz 229.51 / VW 504/507 / Porsche C30


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Re: Non-DPF engine oil in Diesel BMW F10 [Re: L93013] #5239198 10/14/19 08:51 AM
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Clearly the one on the left says "Not suitable for vehicles fitted with with diesel particulate filters" in the red band!!!


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Re: Non-DPF engine oil in Diesel BMW F10 [Re: BMWTurboDzl] #5241940 10/17/19 03:57 AM
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Originally Posted by BMWTurboDzl
Originally Posted by rooflessVW
At a minimum you want an ACEA C3 / API CK-4 oil.


+1

ACEA C3 for sure. In addition these oils will very likely have Mercedes Benz 229.51 / VW 504/507 / Porsche C30

This...or BMW LL-04 spec! These are all "DPF friendly" specs!


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Re: Non-DPF engine oil in Diesel BMW F10 [Re: L93013] #5242900 10/18/19 03:58 AM
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Thank you guys for all your responses & pardon me, I am new to this whole car maintenance scene so I am learning about how components work in car,
I am trying to find that how long can I run this oil in my engine before problem can occur? What type of problem could occur using LL01 engine oil in DPF equipped car? Should I change the engine oil before driving further or I can drive the car for few thousand miles? is there anyway to find out this by checking DPF state or any other method?

Thanks

PS: can someone recommend me source like book or videos to understand the working of modern car?

Re: Non-DPF engine oil in Diesel BMW F10 [Re: L93013] #5243028 10/18/19 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by L93013
Thank you guys for all your responses & pardon me, I am new to this whole car maintenance scene so I am learning about how components work in car,
I am trying to find that how long can I run this oil in my engine before problem can occur? What type of problem could occur using LL01 engine oil in DPF equipped car? Should I change the engine oil before driving further or I can drive the car for few thousand miles? is there anyway to find out this by checking DPF state or any other method?

Thanks

PS: can someone recommend me source like book or videos to understand the working of modern car?



You should change the oil as soon as possible. Your DPF has a fixed service life and using LL01 will reduce the service life by some amount. How much, entirely depends on your driving conditions and miles driven. If I remember correctly there is software which you can hook up to your vehicle to determine the remaining life of your DPF and force the vehicle to regen* the DPF.

*Regeneration: The DPF loads up with soot after a certain amount of miles and once the pressure differential reaches a certain point fuel will be injected into the exhaust stream to burn off this soot. After burn off some ash remains behind. Oil additives are a component of this ash and it's why you want to use LL04 because they leave less ash behind than LL01.


If you want videos I would just search YouTube.


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Re: Non-DPF engine oil in Diesel BMW F10 [Re: L93013] #5243827 10/19/19 01:00 AM
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Change your FULL saps oil ASAP....you will block your DPF soon...

Full saps oils produce more ash when they get burnt...and that ash will block your DPF...moreover ash from FULL saps oils is different then that from mid/low saps oils....it can not be burnt that easily as one from oils wich are intended for DPF equiped cars...

Get the oil with specs mentioned above....in reality it doesnt really matter if spec come from MB or VW or BMW as long as it is "DPF friendly"

Change your oil in dependency how clean/eco (Sulfur levels!) is your diesel fuel there...

If you have sulphur free diesel go aprox 10-15kkms...if not split that interval by half...

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Re: Non-DPF engine oil in Diesel BMW F10 [Re: L93013] #5246646 10/22/19 02:03 AM
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As others have suggested, please move to an LL-04 oil.

Here are a few options on Amazon india.

Liqui Moly TopTec 4100 5w40 - https://www.amazon.in/Liqui-Moly-9511-Synthetic-Petrol/dp/B00VP51BIE/

Liqui Moly TopTec 4200 5w30 - https://www.amazon.in/Liqui-Moly-5W-30-Synthetic-Motor/dp/B00CPL8R8O/

Mobil 1 ESP 5W30 - https://www.amazon.in/Mobil-5W-30-F...obil+1+esp&qid=1571731136&sr=8-1

Amsoil Synthetic 5W-40 I-ESP Euro Oil - https://www.amazon.in/Amsoil-Synthetic-5W-40-I-ESP-Euro/dp/B00BSQIEEE

Motul also have an oil in India that is BMW LL-04 rated. Its called 8100 X-clean. Please reach out to Motul via their Indian page, the are prompt in responding with the local dealer for your city.

Re: Non-DPF engine oil in Diesel BMW F10 [Re: Parikshith] #5246755 10/22/19 07:10 AM
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Not all the oils in your list have BMW Longlife-04 approval. "Rated" is not the same as approved.


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Re: Non-DPF engine oil in Diesel BMW F10 [Re: Kamele0N] #5247121 10/22/19 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Kamele0N
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Get the oil with specs mentioned above....in reality it doesnt really matter if spec come from MB or VW or BMW as long as it is "DPF friendly"



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Re: Non-DPF engine oil in Diesel BMW F10 [Re: L93013] #5247618 10/22/19 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by L93013
Thank you guys for all your responses & pardon me, I am new to this whole car maintenance scene so I am learning about how components work in car,
I am trying to find that how long can I run this oil in my engine before problem can occur? What type of problem could occur using LL01 engine oil in DPF equipped car? Should I change the engine oil before driving further or I can drive the car for few thousand miles? is there anyway to find out this by checking DPF state or any other method?

Thanks

PS: can someone recommend me source like book or videos to understand the working of modern car?


The car will not explode or DPF will not clog fast. You should change it as soon as possible, but running full-SAPS oil does not mean DPF will clog, it means if you run that oil constantly, DPF lifespan will be cut short.
As many mentioned, you want ACEA C3, BMW LL04 and in addition to that look that oil also carries VW 504.00/507.00 and MB 229.51.


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