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asphalt driveway sealer #5233854 10/08/19 12:23 PM
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Well despite my best efforts I will not have time to apply the Rustoleum Epoxy driveway sealer at my DE home this year and its getting to the end of the season where its warm enough.

My son-inlaw is in the business in CT (Renew Asphalt Maintenance) but too far to drive his truck. But gives me suggestions. He suggests petroleum resin driveway sealer as the best and no environmental issues like with coal tar. Also in the running is asphalt emulsion.

Try to find some contractor who can apply or even has petroleum resin and I come up with none. Same for asphalt emulsion.

Now some use Gilsonite but I hear that is mostly gypsies and they thin it down a lot with whatever is cheapest at the gas station vs mineral spirits.

Looks like if I want it sealed this year it will be coal tar sealer.

Disappointed that more people do not care about the environmental concerns with coal tar and force the contractors to get better products for the environment.

I assume most people just want their driveway sealed vs investigating the product being used.


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Re: asphalt driveway sealer [Re: Donald] #5233921 10/08/19 01:49 PM
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The most important thing is to do it regularly, like every other year or so rather than trying to get the perfect product. I don't do many home projects myself because of a lack of skill for many repairs. But resealing my driveway is one that I do myself since it is mostly labor with close to zero skill required, a couple of 5 gallon buckets is enough for my driveway

The standard home depot stuff I use says it is good for 7 years, or something like that. But I try to do it every other year, or every third year at the most. Like you, I am in a cold northeast location with freezing snow and rain trying to create cracks every winter, and I don't trust the 7 year expected lifespan of the sealer.

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Most homeowners probably don't even know there are other options besides coal tar. Usually whatever is cheap and fast is what is used.

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I was meaning to do this project this year, but kept missing it. I haven't even looked to see what my options are. Other than to assume it's too late in the season to bother. So I'll pay attention to this thread. wink


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Re: asphalt driveway sealer [Re: Donald] #5233971 10/08/19 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Donald

Disappointed that more people do not care about the environmental concerns with coal tar and force the contractors to get better products for the environment.

I assume most people just want their driveway sealed vs investigating the product being used.



I haven't read up on it, but what's more ecologically friendly about dumping an epoxy resin on the ground over using coal tar that dries rock hard within an hour or two? Sounds more like a marketing thing to me.

After all, all you are doing is putting a coating on inches thick worth of a petroleum product (asphalt) that is in direct contact with the ground.

FWIW, I prefer coatings like a coal tar emulsion. I had an ~18'x120' portion of my driveway done for $165 a few weeks back. I can't do it myself with 5gal store bought pails for that.

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Re: asphalt driveway sealer [Re: Donald] #5233986 10/08/19 03:16 PM
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When I had a blacktop driveway in Illinois, I always used nothing but Sakrete Coal Tar Sealer. It worked beautifully. I put it down every year for 2 years. Then every other year. The first application took 7 buckets. The second took 4. From then on it only took 2 to do the entire driveway. I had the nicest driveway on the block. There wasn't a crack in it.

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Whatever they sell at HD or Lowe's, it's lucky if it lasts 2-3 yrs in New England. And if you shovel frequently only 1-2 yrs. I only have a 10x55 ft driveway....and I can't get any driveway contractor to reseal it for less than $330. So I buy a single $25-$30 bucket of sealer and apply it myself every 1-2 yrs. Whatever the contractors use around here looks more rugged than what I buy. It certainly doesn't dry hard as rock as it takes several days before you can drive over it without leaving tire prints. And if you drive through it wet at any time after it's cured, you leave 'sandy' tire tracks behind. I applied mine a month ago and I still see fresh animal prints on it from the morning dew.

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Why not pave the driveway so you don't have to dump a strange chemical on it?!

After all, anything you put over the asphalt is just a short-term band-aid..


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Originally Posted by spavel6
Why not pave the driveway so you don't have to dump a strange chemical on it?!

After all, anything you put over the asphalt is just a short-term band-aid..

I think we're missing something here... asphalt driveway sealer is put over paved driveways.


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Originally Posted by supton
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Why not pave the driveway so you don't have to dump a strange chemical on it?!

After all, anything you put over the asphalt is just a short-term band-aid..

I think we're missing something here... asphalt driveway sealer is put over paved driveways.




If he is thinking of paving over the asphalt then good luck with that. It’s not as simple as that. Consider your clearances to the garage and street.


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Originally Posted by 69GTX
Whatever they sell at HD or Lowe's, it's lucky if it lasts 2-3 yrs in New England. And if you shovel frequently only 1-2 yrs. I only have a 10x55 ft driveway....and I can't get any driveway contractor to reseal it for less than $330. So I buy a single $25-$30 bucket of sealer and apply it myself every 1-2 yrs. Whatever the contractors use around here looks more rugged than what I buy. It certainly doesn't dry hard as rock as it takes several days before you can drive over it without leaving tire prints. And if you drive through it wet at any time after it's cured, you leave 'sandy' tire tracks behind. I applied mine a month ago and I still see fresh animal prints on it from the morning dew.



One 5gal bucket does your 10'x55' driveway? Contractors in the Buffalo area vary quite a bit on price too. This year was was a good $40-50 cheaper than what I paid 3yrs ago. I have to re-do mine about every 2yrs.

I realize my driveway is larger and perhaps we're comparing different materials, but the contractors use about 8-10 full 5gal buckets on mine and it's good to drive on in 24hrs. No tracking onto the concrete up by the house at all. At that point, only pockets where the material has pooled will still be soft.


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What is Asphalt made from ?


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This is a basic description of hot mix asphalt. Your mix may vary.


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Whatever they sell at HD or Lowe's, it's lucky if it lasts 2-3 yrs in New England. And if you shovel frequently only 1-2 yrs. I only have a 10x55 ft driveway....and I can't get any driveway contractor to reseal it for less than $330. So I buy a single $25-$30 bucket of sealer and apply it myself every 1-2 yrs. Whatever the contractors use around here looks more rugged than what I buy. It certainly doesn't dry hard as rock as it takes several days before you can drive over it without leaving tire prints. And if you drive through it wet at any time after it's cured, you leave 'sandy' tire tracks behind. I applied mine a month ago and I still see fresh animal prints on it from the morning dew.



One 5gal bucket does your 10'x55' driveway? Contractors in the Buffalo area vary quite a bit on price too. This year was was a good $40-50 cheaper than what I paid 3yrs ago. I have to re-do mine about every 2yrs.

I realize my driveway is larger and perhaps we're comparing different materials, but the contractors use about 8-10 full 5gal buckets on mine and it's good to drive on in 24hrs. No tracking onto the concrete up by the house at all. At that point, only pockets where the material has pooled will still be soft.


Yeah, less than 1 bucket of HD/Lowe's stuff on mine. And it can be spread quite thin in order not to pool it These require a slightly moist surface or they will not spread....like using molasses. NO doubt whatever the contractors use it's a higher grade and will last longer. Their finished product looks better too. I can possibly drive on mine in 24 hrs but have never dared try that. It dries to foot traffic in 3-6 hrs on a hot day. But again, get it wet and walk and drive on it, and the sand that's part of the mix leeches out....always.


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Originally Posted by JTK
Originally Posted by Donald

Disappointed that more people do not care about the environmental concerns with coal tar and force the contractors to get better products for the environment.

I assume most people just want their driveway sealed vs investigating the product being used.



I haven't read up on it, but what's more ecologically friendly about dumping an epoxy resin on the ground over using coal tar that dries rock hard within an hour or two? Sounds more like a marketing thing to me.

After all, all you are doing is putting a coating on inches thick worth of a petroleum product (asphalt) that is in direct contact with the ground.

FWIW, I prefer coatings like a coal tar emulsion. I had an ~18'x120' portion of my driveway done for $165 a few weeks back. I can't do it myself with 5gal store bought pails for that.


Here is what they say about coal tar (banned in some states/localities)

There is a hidden and longer term health issue with certain types of driveway sealant – they break down over time from cars being driven on them and from weathering. If the driveway sealant is made from coal tar, this break down can release chemicals called polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs). These chemicals are carcinogenic and are already in the environment as part of air pollution. However the additional amount from driveway sealant can produce local contamination that can be a health concern. The United States Geological Survey (USGS) has shown that the dust on parking lots and driveways sealed with coal tar-based products can be high in PAHs. Of further concern is their finding that this contamination can extend into nearby homes and create high levels of carcinogenic PAHs in house dust. Fortunately, asphalt-based driveway sealant is an alternative to coal tar products. It coats well and does not contain PAHs making the asphalt product safer and better for the environment.


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