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what are some TRUE synthetics? #5232882 10/07/19 11:59 AM
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Seems hard to find rue 100% true synthetic bike oils, especially when like me you aren't an oil expert by any stretch and therefore reading data sheets is greek to me. So what are some true all synthetic oils? Especially those at the lower end of the cost spectrum being a retired person living on a shoestring. Thanks.

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With rebates, you can get Mobil 1 5Q jugs for around $15-$18. Costco has a 6x1Q box for around $27.

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Re: what are some TRUE synthetics? [Re: daz] #5232912 10/07/19 12:25 PM
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thats car oil. I'm talking bike oil.

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Re: what are some TRUE synthetics? [Re: daz] #5232957 10/07/19 01:15 PM
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for what bike?
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Re: what are some TRUE synthetics? [Re: daz] #5232962 10/07/19 01:20 PM
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It would be easier if you just come out and say what your definition of a "100% true synthetic" is. That way we can dispense with the formalities.


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Re: what are some TRUE synthetics? [Re: daz] #5232968 10/07/19 01:29 PM
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Triumph 1700 P twin cruiser, water cooled. My understanding is that true 100% synthetic oils are zero mineral oil as opposed to mineral oil with a additive package.

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Here are M1 motorcycle choices.

https://mobiloil.com/en/motor-oils/motorcycle


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Re: what are some TRUE synthetics? [Re: daz] #5232990 10/07/19 01:48 PM
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Why do you need a 100% true synthetic enough to go through some trouble to identify and obtain it. Do you think it will be that much better for your application?

If you are running a "regular" group III synthetic and finding it lacking a group IV synthetic won't be dramatically better. Somewhat better but not incredibly so. in most cases its not a make or break deal. you change it a little sooner with a good group III vs group IV. sometimes there is no difference if the oil is compromised due to blow by and combustion products.

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The cheapest JASO MA 4T 10w40 is probably Valvoline 10w40 full syn at walmart $7.37/qt

If you want the best bang for the buck.. Rotella 5w40.. gazillions of miles with no known issues.


No idea what you want to accomplish with the full syn... extended drains?

Re: what are some TRUE synthetics? [Re: daz] #5232994 10/07/19 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by daz
So what are some true all synthetic oils?


What is 100% true for all the synthetics are uniform sized molecules
that don't exists naturally... so armed with that knowledge you can
shop for the best synthetic price because no matter what brand of
uniform molecules we choose they will meet or exceed our mileage
expectations...

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Re: what are some TRUE synthetics? [Re: daz] #5233002 10/07/19 01:57 PM
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My bike has a issue that is common to the model which seems to improve with certain oils and get worse with others. I want to try true synthetic and see if that helps more then others and someone i talked to who is quite knowledgeable seemed to think it might given all the facts. This is not something he or anyone here no matter how knowledgeable can know. I just have to try it and see. So rather then debate why or whether is should try it i'd just appreciate it if someone could tell me what oils are like this. I know penrite is but it's austrailian and not available in the states w/o paying almost as much for the already expensive oil itself in shipping costs. Otherwise i'd have just tried that.

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Spectro Platinum 4 . Group IV PAO blended with Group V ester. Ester likely the additive solubility agent.



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Re: what are some TRUE synthetics? [Re: daz] #5233010 10/07/19 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by daz
My bike has a issue that is common to the model which seems to improve with certain oils and get worse with others. I want to try true synthetic and see if that helps more then others and someone i talked to who is quite knowledgeable seemed to think it might given all the facts. This is not something he or anyone here no matter how knowledgeable can know. I just have to try it and see. So rather then debate why or whether is should try it i'd just appreciate it if someone could tell me what oils are like this. I know penrite is but it's austrailian and not available in the states w/o paying almost as much for the already expensive oil itself in shipping costs. Otherwise i'd have just tried that.

What's the issue, what oils seem to make it worse, and what oils seem to make it better?


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I'm sure AMSOIL makes an oil for you. Group IV synthetc.

These oils are somewhat "boutique" so you will not find a cheap one compared to walmarts Group III oils.

Re: what are some TRUE synthetics? [Re: LoneRanger] #5233035 10/07/19 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by LoneRanger
Spectro Platinum 4 . Group IV PAO blended with Group V ester. Ester likely the additive solubility agent.


Where did u get that info? It seems priced fairly reasonable but i can't find data on it even on the spectro site.

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