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MOTORCRAFT FL-500S CUT OPEN #5231263 10/05/19 04:35 PM
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Good Afternoon folks smile

Interesting and very troubling story with this filter and oil combo. Off my co workers 2019 Ford F-150 XLT truck with 5.0 and plastic oil pan.


So, he had local dealership 20 miles from our work do oil change, etc, warranty stuff like new seat recline recall (which is a total joke I think and so do my 2 other co workers/mechanics) Truck had last oil change at 12k and dealership noted there was like 1.5qts in sump. Friend has been adding oil a LOT and unhappy. Local dealership decided to throw 10w40 in sump with new MC FL500S filter. I did not see any leaks anywhere and I find a nasty bulletin on rocker arms and other bulletins. Co worker was watching me change oil and about 6qt came out. Capacity per owner manual is 7.7 quarts 5w20. I installed MC 5w20 blend he supplied and MC FL500S filter. Told him I would seriously push the "oil consumption issue" with Ford. That is NOT acceptable IMO. Truck now has 17,554 miles on it and does 98%highway driving.

Enjoy the pics and I have saw/looked at over 10 F-150 trucks using or..... oil issues at work. Not a laughing matter as it's disgusting some dealerships go to a God awful thick 10w40 oil frown

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Re: MOTORCRAFT FL-500S CUT OPEN [Re: 53' Stude] #5231278 10/05/19 04:48 PM
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Did you notice any leaking around the oil pan mounting flange. I know there have been some problems with sealing on those things.


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Re: MOTORCRAFT FL-500S CUT OPEN [Re: MParr] #5231283 10/05/19 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by MParr
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Did you notice any leaking around the oil pan mounting flange. I know there have been some problems with sealing on those things.



I did not. Dealer he has been using decided thicker is better. He is seriously thinking of trading it on a new Explorer.

Its bone dry underneath so......


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Re: MOTORCRAFT FL-500S CUT OPEN [Re: 53' Stude] #5231293 10/05/19 05:01 PM
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That's a smooth move, then it a serious cold snap hits & the 10W40 won't flow, Ford bounces his warranty. We've had 3.7 Transit engine issues ourselves, Ford does all they can to get out of fixing them.


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Re: MOTORCRAFT FL-500S CUT OPEN [Re: bullwinkle] #5231298 10/05/19 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by bullwinkle
That's a smooth move, then it a serious cold snap hits & the 10W40 won't flow, Ford bounces his warranty. We've had 3.7 Transit engine issues ourselves, Ford does all they can to get out of fixing them.



Yeah, he is not happy with the dealership I will say that. Good ole' Ford engineering at its finest


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That stinks. Its like the problems are engineered into production. I love Ford but would never trade my tacoma for a ranger.

Re: MOTORCRAFT FL-500S CUT OPEN [Re: Jason_Michaels] #5231318 10/05/19 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Jason_Michaels
That stinks. Its like the problems are engineered into production. I love Ford but would never trade my tacoma for a ranger.



AMEN! I wont touch a Ford unless it is a Taurus or Explorer


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Re: MOTORCRAFT FL-500S CUT OPEN [Re: 53' Stude] #5231350 10/05/19 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by 53' Stude
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That's a smooth move, then it a serious cold snap hits & the 10W40 won't flow, Ford bounces his warranty. We've had 3.7 Transit engine issues ourselves, Ford does all they can to get out of fixing them.



Yeah, he is not happy with the dealership I will say that. Good ole' Ford engineering at its finest


LOL another great idea from Ford.


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Re: MOTORCRAFT FL-500S CUT OPEN [Re: 53' Stude] #5231360 10/05/19 06:15 PM
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Note for you: these new 5.0’s actually hold 8.8 quarts for the 18+ coyotes in the trucks. A 40 grade won’t hurt them but I wouldn’t recommend a 10 winter rating unless it’s in a hot climate. A 0 or 5 winter rating is much better in my opinion. They should be doing the consumption test and he may end up with a new engine. Though I have 3 of them and they all used oil when new. And as the miles racked on it subsided and no top up oil is needed per interval.

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Isn’t there a TSB on the 2.7 for oil consumption?

Thanks for the C&P...

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Re: MOTORCRAFT FL-500S CUT OPEN [Re: DuckRyder] #5231480 10/05/19 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by DuckRyder
Isn’t there a TSB on the 2.7 for oil consumption?
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Perhaps there is... but the truck in question is a 5.0 Coyote engine


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Originally Posted by Linctex
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Isn’t there a TSB on the 2.7 for oil consumption?
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Perhaps there is... but the truck in question is a 5.0 Coyote engine


Ford TSB on 2018 F-150 with the 5.0L V8 oil consumption. See attached PDF file.

TSB only addresses 2018s, but not sure if it's been updated to include 2019s ... might be possible. Ford dealers should know.

MAJOR work for the repair ... long block replacement. eek

Attached PDF document
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Originally Posted by ZeeOSix
Originally Posted by Linctex
Originally Posted by DuckRyder
Isn’t there a TSB on the 2.7 for oil consumption?
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Perhaps there is... but the truck in question is a 5.0 Coyote engine


Ford TSB on 2018 F-150 with the 5.0L V8 oil consumption. See attached PDF file.

TSB only addresses 2018s, but not sure if it's been updated to include 2019s ... might be possible. Ford dealers should know.

MAJOR work for the repair ... long block replacement. eek

This applies to the 2019 models as well. Using over a quart every 3,000 miles gets you a new engine.. Your Ford dealership will work with you. Make sure you have the TSB in hand when you go in.


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Originally Posted by MParr
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Originally Posted by Linctex
Originally Posted by DuckRyder
Isn’t there a TSB on the 2.7 for oil consumption?
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Perhaps there is... but the truck in question is a 5.0 Coyote engine


Ford TSB on 2018 F-150 with the 5.0L V8 oil consumption. See attached PDF file.

TSB only addresses 2018s, but not sure if it's been updated to include 2019s ... might be possible. Ford dealers should know.

MAJOR work for the repair ... long block replacement. eek

This applies to the 2019 models as well. Using over a quart every 3,000 miles gets you a new engine.. Your Ford dealership will work with you. Make sure you have the TSB in hand when you go in.


I'm really surprised that Ford replaces these engines if they use a quart of oil in 3000 miles. Most manufacturers say an engine using a quart in 1000 miles is still acceptable (probably to get out of warranty work).

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It’s right there in the TSB. Over one quart per 3,000 miles. But, each step in the TSB must be followed to get that engine. If it were my truck, I would certainly be trying to get a new engine.


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