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Help me choose Wix vs Fram #5231199 10/05/19 03:17 PM
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So I'll be doing my first oil change on my 2019 Ram 1500 Classic with the 5.7 next month. I know that the Fram Ultra has a higher micron rating but it's my understanding that its slightly more restrictive in Gpm vs the standard wix.
I live in NH so over the winter the filter will have to overcome harder starts, leading me to want a higher flow filter (bypass valve not withstanding) but I've always liked the Fram ultra's in my previous vehicles due to the micron rating. Any Insight would be greatly appreciated
Oil will be PUP 5W20

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Re: Help me choose Wix vs Fram [Re: NissanHauler] #5231217 10/05/19 03:43 PM
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Just buy a Mopar filter and be done with it.

Re: Help me choose Wix vs Fram [Re: NissanHauler] #5231229 10/05/19 03:54 PM
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Where are you seeing that the Fram Ultra is flow restrictive as compared to the Wix? For my application a Wix oil filter is far more restrictive compared to a Fram Ultra or even a Tough Guard oil filter.


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Re: Help me choose Wix vs Fram [Re: NissanHauler] #5231236 10/05/19 04:01 PM
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Fram Ultra is the easy winner here.

- Better flow
- Better filtration
- Better price


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Re: Help me choose Wix vs Fram [Re: RDY4WAR] #5231269 10/05/19 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by atikovi
Just buy a Mopar filter and be done with it.


Nope.


Originally Posted by RDY4WAR
Fram Ultra is the easy winner here.

- Better flow
- Better filtration
- Better price


Yep. . . .unless your filter interval is under 10,000 miles, in which case the FU is wasted.


I use the overseas manual to choose my viscosity.

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Re: Help me choose Wix vs Fram [Re: NissanHauler] #5231272 10/05/19 04:43 PM
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The Fram Ultra is a good filter with good flow but so is the WIX/NAPA Gold. I would go with the NAPA Gold because the Fram Ultra costs a little more.


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Re: Help me choose Wix vs Fram [Re: JLTD] #5231277 10/05/19 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by JLTD
. .unless your filter interval is under 10,000 miles, in which case the FU is wasted.


I disagree. Wouldn't it still be beneficial to have the higher filtration for that shorter interval?


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Re: Help me choose Wix vs Fram [Re: NissanHauler] #5231304 10/05/19 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by NissanHauler
So I'll be doing my first oil change on my 2019 Ram 1500 Classic with the 5.7 next month. I know that the Fram Ultra has a higher micron rating but it's my understanding that its slightly more restrictive in Gpm vs the standard wix.


How do you know? You have flow vs delta-p data for a standard WIX filter?

Here's data for the Ultra: LINK

It's funny how people make conclusions with not test data.

Re: Help me choose Wix vs Fram [Re: ZeeOSix] #5231306 10/05/19 05:18 PM
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I was just looking at the stated gpm rating


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Re: Help me choose Wix vs Fram [Re: NissanHauler] #5231307 10/05/19 05:20 PM
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switch to 0W20 for the cold months and use the Fram, IMHO

Re: Help me choose Wix vs Fram [Re: NissanHauler] #5231311 10/05/19 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by NissanHauler
I was just looking at the stated gpm rating


Which is a pretty nebulous "spec" since nobody explains exactly what it means. The best data is flow vs dealt-p at a known oil viscosity/temperature. Also, that data is hard to come by.

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Originally Posted by RDY4WAR
Originally Posted by JLTD
. .unless your filter interval is under 10,000 miles, in which case the FU is wasted.


I disagree. Wouldn't it still be beneficial to have the higher filtration for that shorter interval?

While I can't disagree with the premise but the answer is, will we ever see the difference during the ownership of the vehicle? Unless the filter fails and ruins the engine something else will cause the sale of the vehicle before the specs of the filter. Or the choice of any of the major oil companies oil choices with the proper specs.


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Re: Help me choose Wix vs Fram [Re: atikovi] #5231337 10/05/19 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by atikovi
Just buy a Mopar filter and be done with it.



I second that motion thumbsup


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Re: Help me choose Wix vs Fram [Re: NissanHauler] #5231459 10/05/19 08:13 PM
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Flip a coin. Either will do fine.


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Re: Help me choose Wix vs Fram [Re: CT8] #5231483 10/05/19 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by CT8
Originally Posted by RDY4WAR
Originally Posted by JLTD
. .unless your filter interval is under 10,000 miles, in which case the FU is wasted.


I disagree. Wouldn't it still be beneficial to have the higher filtration for that shorter interval?

While I can't disagree with the premise but the answer is, will we ever see the difference during the ownership of the vehicle? Unless the filter fails and ruins the engine something else will cause the sale of the vehicle before the specs of the filter. Or the choice of any of the major oil companies oil choices with the proper specs.



I agree CT8 ... A Wix/Napa Gold that is 95 percent at 20 microns and 50 percent at 6 microns is just fine. A Fram Ultra will not make a hills beans worth of difference for any vehicle driven 200,300 or 400 thousand miles or more.


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