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by Koncrete_Cam - 12/06/19 01:32 PM
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The Cure for NASCAR
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10/05/19 09:35 AM
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Indydriver
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Return to truly stock cars with a minimum build homologation rule. Imagine Challengers, Camaros and Mustangs racing at Daytona. Here are the simple rules:
1. No engine rules. If it’s sold in the dealer’s showroom, you can use it. No displacement limit, no horsepower limit. Must use street 93 gas w/10% ethanol. Leave the gas tanks stock size. Let the teams decide how much fuel (weight) they want to add. 2. No modifications to the stock body allowed. Run it like they built it. 3. Suspension changes are limited to pieces of like design. If it has shocks and springs, you can change the ride height and rates. 4. You can remove any interior item to reduce weight. No weight mins or maxs. 5. Typical safety mods required-roll cage, racing seat, fuel cell Etc. Leave the air bags in! 6. Tires are limited only by stock wheels and width of rubber. Skinny ‘em up!
In summary, high drag bodies with high hp and relatively skinny tires will create a true driver’s car where talent is exercised putting power to the ground while making tires last.
2014 Camaro 2SS/RS LS3 Vert 14,000 M1 2012 Sienna 85,000 M1 2007 Tahoe 155,000 M1
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Re: The Cure for NASCAR
[Re: Indydriver]
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10/05/19 09:44 AM
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aquariuscsm
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I agree. Modern Nascar is an overly policed retail chain.
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Re: The Cure for NASCAR
[Re: Indydriver]
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10/05/19 09:50 AM
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64bawagon
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Its been discussed ad nauseum on the radio. If you favor drivers dying in crashes then this is the model for that. While I dont always agree with or understand NASCAR's direction, it is a billion dollar enterprise that is run by talented, intelligent people. I think it has more to due with modern society as a whole than it does with NASCAR's decisions.
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Re: The Cure for NASCAR
[Re: 64bawagon]
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10/05/19 09:59 AM
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JC1
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Its been discussed ad nauseum on the radio. If you favor drivers dying in crashes then this is the model for that. While I dont always agree with or understand NASCAR's direction, it is a billion dollar enterprise that is run by talented, intelligent people. I think it has more to due with modern society as a whole than it does with NASCAR's decisions. I agree with you. Look at Indy car. Not the same as it used to be in the 90s. Many sports aren't as popular in 2019. Maybe it's a sign that the reducing Babyboomer generation is reflecting on viewership.
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Re: The Cure for NASCAR
[Re: 64bawagon]
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10/05/19 10:23 AM
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billt460
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.....While I dont always agree with or understand NASCAR's direction, it is a billion dollar enterprise that is run by talented, intelligent people. Not even close. NASCAR used to be run by intelligent people. (Read Bill France Sr.). But it is no longer. It's run by a bunch of third generation kids, born with silver spoons in their mouths. And who inherited every penny they've got. All of them put together couldn't manage a shoe store at a profit. Which is why NASCAR is dying on the vine. They took a good, solvent business enterprise, that for the most part drew more fans than any other spectator sport, and basically train wrecked it by making one stupid decision after another. Just look at the stands on race day if you need proof. And the television audience is nothing to write home about either, compared to what it once was. It's taking them a long time to kill it off, because it was worth a fortune when they started. But they are managing. Like most 3rd generation millionaires who are born into it, they can only make a small fortune by starting out with a large one.
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Re: The Cure for NASCAR
[Re: Indydriver]
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10/05/19 10:24 AM
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danez_yoda
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Anytime there is competition, people will cheat. They call it bending the rules but its still cheating.
Ford, chevy and dodge will make a special (limited edition, they make 20 or so) cars that are specifically designed for the Nascar race and barely street legal.
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Re: The Cure for NASCAR
[Re: Rat407]
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10/05/19 10:25 AM
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earlyre
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that may happen sooner than folks think it will... or at least a mild hybrid system... Anytime there is competition, people will cheat. They call it bending the rules but its still cheating.
Ford, chevy and dodge will make a special (limited edition, they make 20 or so) cars that are specifically designed for the NASCAR race and barely street legal.
remember that it used to be in the rules that they had to build like 500 in a particular configuration to be eligible for NASCAR competition. that's why the superbird/charger daytona/etc. existed in showrooms in the first place. They HAD to make X number of cars for the public to be able to use it in NASCAR.
Last edited by earlyre; 10/05/19 10:33 AM.
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Re: The Cure for NASCAR
[Re: Indydriver]
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10/05/19 10:30 AM
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Mr Nice
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billt460,
I agree with everything you wrote.
Some of the current France family don’t even attend NASCAR races.
The older demographics of NASCAR fans stopped going to the races, very expensive and it’s too boring to watch with so many silly rule changes. The younger generation like import racing / drifting and F1 .
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Re: The Cure for NASCAR
[Re: Indydriver]
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10/05/19 10:37 AM
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gman2304
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Nah......simply go back to the 1969 rule book, big blocks and all! Retain the soft walls and reinforce the catch fences for they will be needed! A driver would need a qualifying speed of 250 to win the pole at Talladega. Not an empty seat in the house! Edit: forget what I just typed. We would have to bring back the Pettys, Allison’s, Bakers, Yarboroughs, Earnhardt’s, Pearson’s etc for this to happen because the little 5’ 6” corporate robots posing as drivers would scream like little girls if this scenario were to happen!
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Re: The Cure for NASCAR
[Re: Indydriver]
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10/05/19 10:45 AM
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earlyre
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I've had several ideas for spicing things like the allstar race up... non-points events where they're just there for the $$ and excitement...
put them in the base model econoboxes from their respective manufacturers, straight off the lot....so current manf. line up....fiesta, spark, yaris?
give each team a budget of 15k to buy and modify a used car?
let them keep the current bodies etc for safety sake, but make them run an OE drivetrain from whatever model they're pretending to be.(no manual option? sorry. only CVTs available? suck it up)
wanna make it really fun? pair 'em up in double decker cars like top gear did a couple times(cars built by edd china), bottom car has the brakes/trans/accelerator, top car has the steering... probably wouldn't work with high banking....guess they could do the same thing in one car...put in a passenger seat and relocate either the pedals or the steering box....
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Re: The Cure for NASCAR
[Re: Indydriver]
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10/05/19 11:22 AM
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I don’t watch NASCAR, never have, but my family was crazy for it. According to my dad “the races were never the same after Dale Earnhardt died.”
I might watch if they were driving cars straight off the dealership lot. I would love to see a Fiesta and a Yaris during it out in the corners. Only changes allowed would be mandatory roll cages and fuel bladders.
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Re: The Cure for NASCAR
[Re: Indydriver]
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10/05/19 11:28 AM
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MParr
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I’ve been cured of NASCAR. It’s gotten very boring. There isn’t any real racing.
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Re: The Cure for NASCAR
[Re: Indydriver]
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10/05/19 11:31 AM
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I wish the cars were more similar to their street versions, but at least now you can tell them apart- unlike the days of the awful "Car of Tomorrow."
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Re: The Cure for NASCAR
[Re: Indydriver]
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10/05/19 11:57 AM
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JohnnyJohnson
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NASCAR is drawing about as much interest as the NFL. Why because they aren't listening their to good for that and beside what do you know?
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