Recent Topics
Weed Killer Time Frame
by Warstud - 10/20/19 01:38 PM
Liking the j frame
by Red91 - 10/20/19 12:29 PM
44.5K 2 Year Prime Guard cut open NSFBitog
by Ursatdx - 10/20/19 12:21 PM
Hollywood Casino 400 at Kansas Speedway
by bdcardinal - 10/20/19 12:18 PM
What were they thinking? Toyota
by perfect_oil - 10/20/19 12:11 PM
Used Car Inspection: DIY vs Pay a Shop?
by nobb - 10/20/19 11:55 AM
Obd2 dongle for iOS?
by buck91 - 10/20/19 11:51 AM
Tie rod end replacement
by 92saturnsl2 - 10/20/19 11:18 AM
Need steering box and pump
by 007 - 10/20/19 11:15 AM
Leather conditioner
by dawgn86 - 10/20/19 10:15 AM
Rockville MD fall car show pictures
by atikovi - 10/20/19 09:21 AM
Battery Jumpstarter Recommendation
by dkryan - 10/20/19 08:50 AM
Why the guard on wheel balancers?
by atikovi - 10/20/19 07:18 AM
NY Yankee fans...
by gfh77665 - 10/20/19 12:56 AM
168 inch pounds feels really--really tight
by perfect_oil - 10/19/19 11:36 PM
Older fram ultra
by tblt44 - 10/19/19 08:42 PM
Best price on Colt 9MM pattern mags?
by GumbyJarvis - 10/19/19 08:20 PM
Newest Members
lexus4life, visco17, Patrick1201, BloodyButUnbowed, Kazuhiro
69618 Registered Users
Who's Online Now
96 registered members (askani79705, 53' Stude, 69GTX, AdditiveOCD, 11 invisible), 2,358 guests, and 19 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Forum Statistics
Forums67
Topics296,215
Posts5,093,691
Members69,618
Most Online3,532
Jul 30th, 2019
Donate to BITOG
Print Thread
Hop To
Page 1 of 6 1 2 6
0W oils; is the fear eligible ? #5228425 10/02/19 01:39 PM
Joined: Mar 2019
Posts: 12
P
pep808 Offline OP
OP Offline
P
Joined: Mar 2019
Posts: 12
hi !
in few european forums the 0w oils have very bad name, because people look on few parameters like : lowish hths, generally lower tbn, saps.

modern engines have quite different materials and tolerances. than what was available just 20-30 years ago.
in my country 10+ year old cars is not uncommon, therefore i think 0w would do some damage to those engines.

I like to hear your opinion, is a modern 0w oil, in modern cars really a scary thing ?
Cheers2

Re: 0W oils; is the fear eligible ? [Re: pep808] #5228434 10/02/19 01:53 PM
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 238
R
rfeir Offline
Offline
R
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 238
0W oil is great. I flows much faster and thus avoids startup wear. It also needs less energy to start the motor.

I have used Mobil 1 European formula 0W 40 in all my vehicles for many years with no issue. This includes a Z3, an X1, a Town and Country and a Passat.


RPF
Re: 0W oils; is the fear eligible ? [Re: pep808] #5228441 10/02/19 02:00 PM
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 4,071
B
BMWTurboDzl Offline
Offline
B
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 4,071
Unless it's about keeping the VVT hardware functioning optimally 0w-X are not really needed for the US market (Canada is a different story). The biggest misconception from oil enthusiasts is that they equate FE (0w-20/30) oils with high wear on their grocery/commuter-mobile. It's nonsense because none of the naysayers have paid to have an engine torn down to measure differences in wear and they instead rely on single-pass UOA's or whatever.

Now if the US had hwy speeds found on the German autobahn then ya, maybe.


“It took untold generations to get you where you are. A little gratitude might be in order. If you’re going to insist on bending the world to your way, you better have your reasons.”

435i
Re: 0W oils; is the fear eligible ? [Re: pep808] #5228453 10/02/19 02:08 PM
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 14,655
S
supton Online Content
Online Content
S
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 14,655
In our country 10+ year old cars are pretty common. Average age is 11 last I knew.

We have some hot regions, cold regions, and regions that suffer from both temps. Bumper to bumper gridlock, and highways where people cruise at high speed for hours on end. For the most part, engines have soldiered on without issue, racking up high miles. At an average age 11 and typical 15kmile usage, that's over 260,000 km for the average car.

What might be different between here and there is that we do have longer trips in general (engines get up to temp) and don't run long OCI's (10k might be the new norm but many people are still doing at shorter intervals).


2011 Toyota Camry, base, 2.5L/6MT, 193k, hers
2010 Toyota Tundra DC, 4.6L/6AT, 155k, ours
1999 Toyota Camry LE, 2.2L/4AT, 214k, his
Re: 0W oils; is the fear eligible ? [Re: BMWTurboDzl] #5228459 10/02/19 02:14 PM
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 12,416
K
kschachn Offline
Offline
K
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 12,416
Originally Posted by BMWTurboDzl
Unless it's about keeping the VVT hardware functioning optimally 0w-X are not really needed for the US market (Canada is a different story).

The winter rating is completely irrelevant to VVT operation. The only time a 0W rated oil might be thinner is at extremely low temperature, such as -35F. And at that temperature any oil will be massively thick. Above that temperature there is no guarantee a 0W rated oil will be thinner.

So many misconceptions about the winter rating on this board and in this thread in particular.


1994 BMW 530i, 246K
1996 Honda Accord, 280K
1999 Toyota Sienna, 420K
2000 Toyota ECHO, 284K
Re: 0W oils; is the fear eligible ? [Re: pep808] #5228465 10/02/19 02:21 PM
Joined: Jul 2019
Posts: 12
P
Polyalphaolefin Offline
Offline
P
Joined: Jul 2019
Posts: 12
Mobil 1 FS 0w40 has TBN 12, HTHS 3,6, SAPS 1,35%... not "lowish" at all.


Car: KIA Ceed JD 1.4 MPI
OIL: 5w30 ACEA A5 / A3; 5w40 ACEA A3; 0w40 ACEA A3
Re: 0W oils; is the fear eligible ? [Re: pep808] #5228467 10/02/19 02:22 PM
Joined: Sep 2018
Posts: 92
L
LeoStrop Offline
Offline
L
Joined: Sep 2018
Posts: 92
Originally Posted by pep808


....10+ year old cars is not uncommon, therefore i think 0w would do some damage to those engines.


The W rating is the least important part, unless you live in an environment that asks for a lower winter rating. So if it meets the specs it will hardly do damage to the engine, it could not be the ideal oil for it, but doing damage is another story.


Chevrolet Kadett EFI '94 (Neat ethanol) - Shell Rimula RT4X 15W40

Honda Fit '09 (FlexFuel) - Shell Helix HX8 5W30
Re: 0W oils; is the fear eligible ? [Re: pep808] #5228503 10/02/19 02:56 PM
Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 3,360
G
Gebo Offline
Offline
G
Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 3,360
As an opinion with no scientific basis of facts, I can't ever see me using a 0W again. It's not scary. I just won't use it. I tried in 2 of my cars and just didn't like the start up ticking but that was 10 years ago. Never went back to try again.


'98 LEX LS400 300K
'02 4Runner 245K
'05 Lex LS430 85K
'07 Lex GX470 65K

Shell Gas and Truck & Supertech Full Syn HM
Toyota ATF's and Coolant
Amsoil Gear Oil and Grease
Re: 0W oils; is the fear eligible ? [Re: pep808] #5228531 10/02/19 03:15 PM
Joined: Apr 2014
Posts: 1,083
G
geeman789 Offline
Offline
G
Joined: Apr 2014
Posts: 1,083
This is all you need to know ... and you may have heard of one or two of these car brands ...

Porsche / VW / Mercedes don't think 0w is scary ...

[Linked Image]


2011 SUBARU Impreza 5-door manual / 2016 HONDA Pilot / 2011 MAZDA 2 auto
Re: 0W oils; is the fear eligible ? [Re: geeman789] #5228548 10/02/19 03:30 PM
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 33,234
D
demarpaint Offline
Offline
D
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 33,234
Originally Posted by geeman789
This is all you need to know ... and you may have heard of one or two of these car brands ...

Porsche / VW / Mercedes don't think 0w is scary ...

[Linked Image]

thumbsup


God Bless Our Troops

Re: 0W oils; is the fear eligible ? [Re: pep808] #5228581 10/02/19 03:52 PM
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 12,416
K
kschachn Offline
Offline
K
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 12,416
Originally Posted by pep808
i think 0w would do some damage to those engines.

Just remember that anyone may think anything they like, but it doesn't necessarily make it anywhere near the truth. Reality is not defined by imagination.


1994 BMW 530i, 246K
1996 Honda Accord, 280K
1999 Toyota Sienna, 420K
2000 Toyota ECHO, 284K
Re: 0W oils; is the fear eligible ? [Re: pep808] #5228603 10/02/19 04:10 PM
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 38,125
Q
Quattro Pete Offline
Offline
Q
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 38,125
Originally Posted by pep808
people look on few parameters like : lowish hths, generally lower tbn, saps.

...

therefore i think 0w would do some damage to those engines.

First of all, not all 0W-XX oils have lowish HT/HS, lower TBN, low SAPS, etc. You can find 0W-XX oils that have HT/HS above 3.5cP, high TBN, full SAPS.

With that said, I don't necessarily see how this would lead one to conclude that "0w would do some damage."

If your engine calls for high HT/HS, full SAPS oil, then that's what you should be using, regardless if it's 0W-XX or not.


2002 530i   2015 Q5 3.0T   2018 Charger SRT
Re: 0W oils; is the fear eligible ? [Re: pep808] #5228636 10/02/19 04:59 PM
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 8,484
A
andyd Offline
Offline
A
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 8,484
The Camrys are doing fine on 0w20 from STP . That's the spec . It gives me the whim whams using an oil that thin. I went from 20w50 in my old BMWs, I can't imagine using 0w20 in an M 20 grin2


'16 Camry LE STP synth 0w20 and STP filter. the Fridge

1994 Ranger ,the Rat, 5w30 dino, STP filter

'16 Camry SE, Valvoline HM 0w20 and OEM filter
Thick oil is better grin2
Re: 0W oils; is the fear eligible ? [Re: BMWTurboDzl] #5228668 10/02/19 05:33 PM
Joined: Sep 2018
Posts: 287
D
Direct_Rejection Offline
Offline
D
Joined: Sep 2018
Posts: 287
Originally Posted by BMWTurboDzl
Unless it's about keeping the VVT hardware functioning optimally 0w-X are not really needed for the US market (Canada is a different story). The biggest misconception from oil enthusiasts is that they equate FE (0w-20/30) oils with high wear on their grocery/commuter-mobile. It's nonsense because none of the naysayers have paid to have an engine torn down to measure differences in wear and they instead rely on single-pass UOA's or whatever.

Now if the US had hwy speeds found on the German autobahn then ya, maybe.



Agreed.

And applause for your extreme transition lol.

My 2019 Lexus UX 250h specs 0W16.

Electronically controlled components, including the thermostat and the oil pump, are designed to more precisely determine the temperature of the engine.

At start up, this is so as to speed up the time it takes to assume operating temperature, ostensibly for cleaner emission numbers.

Then, these components, and other aspects of the design, keep the thin oil from getting too hot, even at WOT.

I have the further flexibility to drive easy, even hypermile, in ECO mode. With world class 41 % thermo efficiency, I am already discovering that good MPGs can happen without even trying.

On the other hand, I can use SPORT mode, w/paddle shifters, and an excellent CVT, and drive this bad boy like I stole it. Yes the RPMs rev up to 5 or 6k, but the engine does not sound at all strained.

HP. Torque. Efficiency. Top Tier 91 octane.

The one thing I will be sure to do is properly maintain the cooling system, using only genuine Toyota pink ULL coolant, in the engine and converter.

Why would I not use not just 0W, but 0W16 !?!

We all have eight months to come to grips with some truths about motor oil evolution.
Thinnish GF-6 oils will be tested to provide better wear protection than before. And GF-6B will not be backward compatible, but GF-6A will be.


2019 Lexus UX 250h F Sport
PP 0W16

Re: 0W oils; is the fear eligible ? [Re: pep808] #5228705 10/02/19 06:18 PM
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 15,407
P
PandaBear Offline
Offline
P
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 15,407
Maybe for the typical European cars that spec 5w40 or 0w40 it is bad. For a Toyota that has spec 0w20 since mid 2000s, or 0w16 since variable flow oil pump becomes standard. This is a non issue.

Do typical European drives their car to 250k miles before junking or engine rebuild? If so how does 0w20 vs 5w40 work for them?

Last edited by PandaBear; 10/02/19 06:19 PM.

"You keep asking questions PandaBear and you'll end up a vegetarian like my wife" - Camu Mahubah
Page 1 of 6 1 2 6
Previous Thread
Index
Next Thread

BOB IS THE OIL GUY® Powered by UBB.threads™