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Re: Windows 7 Use After Support Ends [Re: ZeeOSix] #5221120 09/24/19 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by ZeeOSix
With all of the updates on Win7.....

You really don't understand why updates are necessary, do you ? Updates primarily focus on patching an exploit or flaw that's been found. An exploit that's found next week will require an update from Microsoft.

If you choose to continue running Windows 7, I'd advise disconnecting it from the internet. You'll be safe in that case.

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By 2020, win 10 is forcasted to have 68% PC market and win7 to be 26% and I would imagine that number dropping fast once the support ends.
From security point of view, it is actually a good thing. Hackers want to target the biggest group. Windows 7 will still have millions of users, so the vonurability will be there, but it should not be as big of a threat as many make it out to be.

Personally, I will install linux as a second boot, for my online stuff, and keep windows 7 for productivity and games as long as I can.

I will probably build another computer when I finally decide to go with the latest windows OS, and keep my current one for some old school games. None of that current, heavily monetized, grind fests are for me.


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Re: Windows 7 Use After Support Ends [Re: KrisZ] #5221176 09/24/19 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by KrisZ
By 2020, win 10 is forcasted to have 68% PC market and win7 to be 26% and I would imagine that number dropping fast once the support ends.
From security point of view, it is actually a good thing. Hackers want to target the biggest group.

That's a very valid point that many non-Windows users try and tout (for the record, my main computers are Macs). Just because you don't hear about exploits against macOS, Linux, etc doesn't mean they're more secure, it just means they're not a big enough target !

Re: Windows 7 Use After Support Ends [Re: ZeeOSix] #5221284 09/24/19 11:36 AM
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I had a gaming PC running Windows 7 since I built it in 2010 and I swore up and down I would never upgrade to 10 unless I absolutely had to.

Just my luck, a few months ago a power surge took my computer and I ended up just buying a pre-built with similar specs to what I was planning to build as a new PC anyway.

It honestly only took me maybe an hour at the most to get used to 10. It's really not that different since it has a desktop and everything, the hardest part was getting used to the new way of navigating the start menu because of the Cortana bar.


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Re: Windows 7 Use After Support Ends [Re: ZeeOSix] #5221373 09/24/19 12:45 PM
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I don't mind win 10 interface. I have a laptop running win 10 and it's fine in that regard. But if you go through all the data tracking settings, it simply crazy, just like android. Then you add updates that can do all sorts of weird stuff to your system and it's not something I want for my main computer.


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Re: Windows 7 Use After Support Ends [Re: KrisZ] #5221400 09/24/19 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by KrisZ
But if you go through all the data tracking settings, it simply crazy, just like android. Then you add updates that can do all sorts of weird stuff to your system and it's not something I want for my main computer.


That's one of my biggest gripe with Win10. Every tracking thing is turned on in the beginning and it's really dumb, especially that "let your apps automatically share and sync info with wireless devices that don't explicitly pair with your PC, tablet, or phone."

Re: Windows 7 Use After Support Ends [Re: hallstevenson] #5221879 09/25/19 04:55 AM
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Originally Posted by hallstevenson
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With all of the updates on Win7.....

You really don't understand why updates are necessary, do you ? Updates primarily focus on patching an exploit or flaw that's been found. An exploit that's found next week will require an update from Microsoft.

If you choose to continue running Windows 7, I'd advise disconnecting it from the internet. You'll be safe in that case.

If you are just doing web browsing and not any personal tasks, there's not much danger. I still use an XP machine for web browsing and nothin's happened yet.

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I have W7 on my home computer and W10 on my company laptop. I've been happy with W10 and would like to upgrade my home computer to W10.

Re: Windows 7 Use After Support Ends [Re: Lubener] #5221961 09/25/19 06:59 AM
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I nor my company will be on Windows 7 when it's EOL comes. I have two more machines to upgrade to Win10 but other than that it's upgrade or get left behind.

Originally Posted by Lubener
If you are just doing web browsing and not any personal tasks, there's not much danger. I still use an XP machine for web browsing and nothin's happened yet.


You'd be surprised with about how many port scans are ran.

Re: Windows 7 Use After Support Ends [Re: Lubener] #5222137 09/25/19 10:35 AM
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With all of the updates on Win7.....

You really don't understand why updates are necessary, do you ? Updates primarily focus on patching an exploit or flaw that's been found. An exploit that's found next week will require an update from Microsoft.

If you choose to continue running Windows 7, I'd advise disconnecting it from the internet. You'll be safe in that case.

If you are just doing web browsing and not any personal tasks, there's not much danger. I still use an XP machine for web browsing and nothin's happened yet.

You are pretty much 100% wrong. How do you think exploits get on to your machine ? This isn't 1993 where they're spread by people sharing floppy disks. Exploits come from "web browsing" using an OS and/or programs, i.e. Internet Explorer, that are full of holes that will never be patched.

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Originally Posted by hallstevenson
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Originally Posted by ZeeOSix
With all of the updates on Win7.....

You really don't understand why updates are necessary, do you ? Updates primarily focus on patching an exploit or flaw that's been found. An exploit that's found next week will require an update from Microsoft.

If you choose to continue running Windows 7, I'd advise disconnecting it from the internet. You'll be safe in that case.

If you are just doing web browsing and not any personal tasks, there's not much danger. I still use an XP machine for web browsing and nothin's happened yet.

You are pretty much 100% wrong. How do you think exploits get on to your machine ? This isn't 1993 where they're spread by people sharing floppy disks. Exploits come from "web browsing" using an OS and/or programs, i.e. Internet Explorer, that are full of holes that will never be patched.


+1: Intruders take great measures to ensure you're not aware of their intrusion; and my good lord is XP ever a mess. I think if you're considering yourself to be "free" of intrusion because you're not seeing something happen on your screen, then you may be missing the point entirely.

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Lots of ATMs, retail POS such as that used in restaurants, AVL/MDT/add fare systems in public transit and countless embedded systems will still be on Windows 7 but an embedded version and Microsoft has said they will support it for the time being. I was at a restaurant for lunch the other day ago and their POS still ran Windows XP.

For the home and business/corporate user unless you are on a Microsoft EA and paid for the extra year of support(which many hospitals, banks, and other enterprise users will do), you won't see any updates unless it's for a major security issue and the anti-virus vendors will deprecate updates as well. Banks and other security-sensitive sites will block you from accessing their site via your browser's user agent. that's the information your computer gives to the host of a website or app that tells it your computer's OS and web browser and HTML renderer.

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Originally Posted by nthach
Lots of ATMs, retail POS such as that used in restaurants, AVL/MDT/add fare systems in public transit and countless embedded systems will still be on Windows 7 but an embedded version and Microsoft has said they will support it for the time being. I was at a restaurant for lunch the other day ago and their POS still ran Windows XP.

Those machines may have no internet access or they are networked over a VPN. In those scenarios, they're fine. Not too many years ago, some ATMs were still running OS/2. Most people will have no idea what that even is.

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Originally Posted by hallstevenson
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Lots of ATMs, retail POS such as that used in restaurants, AVL/MDT/add fare systems in public transit and countless embedded systems will still be on Windows 7 but an embedded version and Microsoft has said they will support it for the time being. I was at a restaurant for lunch the other day ago and their POS still ran Windows XP.

Those machines may have no internet access or they are networked over a VPN. In those scenarios, they're fine. Not too many years ago, some ATMs were still running OS/2. Most people will have no idea what that even is.


That's so true!!! LOL!!


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Those machines may have no internet access or they are networked over a VPN. In those scenarios, they're fine. Not too many years ago, some ATMs were still running OS/2. Most people will have no idea what that even is.


That's so true!!! LOL!!

Aren't the POS systems at Walmart and Costco running a variant of OS/2, given that IBM was a dominant player in POS? Toshiba did buy IBM's POS division, I'm suprised Lenovo didn't want to.

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