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Porsche wants 50% of its sales to be fully electric or electrified by 2025 #5217596 09/20/19 04:58 AM
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Re: Porsche wants 50% of its sales to be fully electric or electrified by 2025 [Re: wemay] #5217606 09/20/19 05:17 AM
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If you can afford an electric Porsche, I guess you can rent/buy a second car for those road trips. Or just fly.


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Re: Porsche wants 50% of its sales to be fully electric or electrified by 2025 [Re: SVTCobra] #5217610 09/20/19 05:24 AM
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Second car was a question I had over a year ago. Wonder what percentage of Tesla buyers only have a lone Tesla

Re: Porsche wants 50% of its sales to be fully electric or electrified by 2025 [Re: wemay] #5217641 09/20/19 06:22 AM
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Just towing the company line from VW Group.

What annoys me about this BEV push is that a huge portion of the population either does not have access to or has very inconvenient access to a charging station. For example there are 5.6 million multi-family properties. Multi-family is defined as 2 or more units. These households cannot charge an EV.

Then there's the townhomes, single family homes which have either 1-car garage, no garage, or on-street parking. These vehicles cannot charge an EV. So basically the only people who can realistically live with a BEV are those who have a two-car garage AND a relatively short commute to just about anywhere they would want to work.

This is why I think Toyota is being smart by staying with hybrid models. They don't want to alienate 30 percent of the driving public.


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Re: Porsche wants 50% of its sales to be fully electric or electrified by 2025 [Re: wemay] #5217676 09/20/19 07:03 AM
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There is an agenda for sure. California the big pusher of electric cars and can barely keep up with the electric load on a hot day. with the generation plants over the hill the Ecotards feel good about their green vehicles.

Re: Porsche wants 50% of its sales to be fully electric or electrified by 2025 [Re: wemay] #5217677 09/20/19 07:04 AM
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Gee and all this time, I thought the customer decided what it wanted to buy...

Build it and they will come...


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Re: Porsche wants 50% of its sales to be fully electric or electrified by 2025 [Re: Burt] #5217682 09/20/19 07:10 AM
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That's why there are electric cattle prods, so you get with the program. Much more efficient and earth friendly than the gas powered sort.

And turn up that temp on the AC or we're going to do it for you,

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Re: Porsche wants 50% of its sales to be fully electric or electrified by 2025 [Re: wemay] #5217690 09/20/19 07:20 AM
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That's great! More gas and gas powered vehicles for those of us who choose not to buy into the electric vehicle nonsense.


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Re: Porsche wants 50% of its sales to be fully electric or electrified by 2025 [Re: CT8] #5217702 09/20/19 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by CT8
California the big pusher of electric cars and can barely keep up with the electric load on a hot day.

I don't know about California, but many places, when there is peak demand, they fire up diesel generators to generate electricity. This makes things very backward and wasteful when you have to fire up diesel generators to make electricity to power electric vehicles, instead of burning diesel directly in a vehicle. The conversion losses are incredible.

Re: Porsche wants 50% of its sales to be fully electric or electrified by 2025 [Re: CT8] #5217706 09/20/19 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by CT8
There is an agenda for sure. California the big pusher of electric cars and can barely keep up with the electric load on a hot day. with the generation plants over the hill the Ecotards feel good about their green vehicles.


It's really the EU (home market) and China. The Chinese govt is essentially demanding 100 percent EV.


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Re: Porsche wants 50% of its sales to be fully electric or electrified by 2025 [Re: wemay] #5217710 09/20/19 07:45 AM
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I hate our Model 3.
CA forced me to buy it with all this darn sunshine and solar panels.
I hate the immeatiate torque, starting every day with a full tank, comfort and handling.
And charging stations at work. And the computer lane.

I hate my Tesla so much I want another one...


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Re: Porsche wants 50% of its sales to be fully electric or electrified by 2025 [Re: JeffKeryk] #5217711 09/20/19 07:47 AM
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All good Jeff … so we can count on the gassers leaving your signature line soon ?

Re: Porsche wants 50% of its sales to be fully electric or electrified by 2025 [Re: SVTCobra] #5217718 09/20/19 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by SVTCobra
If you can afford an electric Porsche, I guess you can rent/buy a second car for those road trips. Or just fly.

I ran some numbers a while back and figured that if I switched to an EV, the money I'd save on gas alone would cover all the rentals and flights I'd want for the longer trips I'd take, and I'd still come out ahead at the end of the year. AFAICT, the same is true of everyone else I've run the numbers for.

Then there's the fact that your brakes last longer, there's no regular maintenance required, and there's less stuff that can break.

Even factoring in the cost of replacing the battery pack, at an interval that seems reasonable given current info, doesn't offset the gains.

AFAICT this doesn't always work out for people who own Teslas out of warranty because of Tesla's spotty quality to date. But it should be right on target for EVs made by bigger, better-established automakers.


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Re: Porsche wants 50% of its sales to be fully electric or electrified by 2025 [Re: 4WD] #5217729 09/20/19 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by 4WD
All good Jeff … so we can count on the gassers leaving your signature line soon ?

Love 'em all.
People ask me which one is the best.
TBT, the RX does the most the best while the Model 3 is the most fun.
If I could have only 1, the RX would probably be it because it can do so many things.
Of course a pickup is a tool, so it is a necessity. My cowboy friends tell me, "Ya ain't shXX if ya ain't got a truck."
And the 4-4-2 will never leave; it was Sue's father's car.
The GS is just a great car, if ya can afford to feed it.

Of course, CA may FORCE me to get rid of the gassers, ya never know...
Elon runs the state ya know.

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Re: Porsche wants 50% of its sales to be fully electric or electrified by 2025 [Re: JeffKeryk] #5217737 09/20/19 08:12 AM
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Hope they don’t force anything … seems capitalism is moving the EV and alternative energy progress at a decent pace already …

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