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Is fuel dilution taken into account when they recommend xw-20? #5217463 09/19/19 09:34 PM
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I have heard quite a few people say to run a higher weighted oil than is printed on the oil cap due to fuel dilution on GDI cars (so 5w30 instead of 5w20). When the manufacturers select the oil to be recommended on the oil cap, do they take into account fuel dilution that will likely occur?

Re: Is fuel dilution taken into account when they recommend xw-20? [Re: Whammo] #5217471 09/19/19 09:41 PM
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Honda sure doesn't cry

They say to use 0w20 in a turbo (their 1.5T). Oh, and regular gas, too! LOL
(87 octane US, 91 RON)

Much less of a problem with 5w30 and premium

Re: Is fuel dilution taken into account when they recommend xw-20? [Re: Whammo] #5217515 09/19/19 11:43 PM
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And, change the oil every 3000 miles ...


Our Honda Pilot gets short tripped in cold winter temperatures, the EXACT scenario giving Honda, and I would assume other manufacturers, grief. The oil turns very dark very quickly, and smells strongly of gas. Plus, a little goo on the oil fill cap. In the summer, none of this happens ...

I do an extra oil change in the winter, and use a 30 grade oil.

Just like the old days !


2011 SUBARU Impreza 5-door manual / 2016 HONDA Pilot / 2011 MAZDA 2 auto
Re: Is fuel dilution taken into account when they recommend xw-20? [Re: Whammo] #5217517 09/19/19 11:58 PM
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If they do, good luck getting them to admit it... think about it.

I can see the commercial now...

"The new 2020 Accord, featuring less fuel sneaking past the oil rings and contaminating the oil, than our 2019 model Accord"πŸ˜‚


Ok, all joking aside..I don't think you would ever uncover official internal corporate engineer's notes saying "minimum Xw30 needed for fuel dilution"... that could explode into a yuuuuge class action suit, potentially.

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Re: Is fuel dilution taken into account when they recommend xw-20? [Re: Whammo] #5217536 09/20/19 12:58 AM
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I think oxidation may eventually cancel out and even take over dilution ...
That's why Seq IIIH test allows up to %150 viscosity increase ... I'm guessing, maybe experts can correct me. It may take much longer than most people wait to get there though!

The maximum allowable viscosity increase is:
%150 IIIH SN/SN Plus/GF-5
%100 GF-6

Re: Is fuel dilution taken into account when they recommend xw-20? [Re: Whammo] #5217537 09/20/19 01:05 AM
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Hyundai/Kia allow the use of 5W20 , 5W30 and 10W30 based on ambient temps the owner expects to use the vehicle during the OCI ... My 2.4L GDI engine oil smells strongly of gas by the 3K mile mark ,so I go up a grade over a 3,750 mile OCI using a 5W30 D1/G2 rated synthetic just to have some head room in case of fuel dilution .


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'10 Hyundai Elantra 2.0L 5W30 (50%) / 5W20 (50%) QSUD / Fram Ultra #9688
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Re: Is fuel dilution taken into account when they recommend xw-20? [Re: ChrisD46] #5217548 09/20/19 01:52 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisD46
Hyundai/Kia allow the use of 5W20 , 5W30 and 10W30 based on ambient temps the owner expects to use the vehicle during the OCI ... My 2.4L GDI engine oil smells strongly of gas by the 3K mile mark ,so I go up a grade over a 3,750 mile OCI using a 5W30 D1/G2 rated synthetic just to have some head room in case of fuel dilution .

πŸ‘... smart move. I am thankful that Hyundai/Kia provides owners with flexibility in choice of grade.

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I often think of this myself...am I just part of a CAFE regulation scheme by the manufacturer to get my vehicle any advantage for a slight uptick in fuel economy, while not doing what is best for my engine because the manufacturer won't be responsible when it's out of warranty.

My truck calls for 0W20, but I wonder if it would be better to run 0W30 or 5W30? I do smell fuel in that oil at times when I empty my catch can....others times not so much. And others that own the GM direct injected 5.3 have reported fuel dilution in their oil samples (and certainly oil consumption).

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Re: Is fuel dilution taken into account when they recommend xw-20? [Re: ChrisD46] #5217577 09/20/19 04:55 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisD46
Hyundai/Kia allow the use of 5W20 , 5W30 and 10W30 based on ambient temps the owner expects to use the vehicle during the OCI ... My 2.4L GDI engine oil smells strongly of gas by the 3K mile mark ,so I go up a grade over a 3,750 mile OCI using a 5W30 D1/G2 rated synthetic just to have some head room in case of fuel dilution .

That is precisely what I instructed my son to do when he bought a new KIA last year. I told him to run Mobil 1 EP 5W30, and stick to a 4K OCI.


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Re: Is fuel dilution taken into account when they recommend xw-20? [Re: Whammo] #5217588 09/20/19 05:28 AM
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How about the new DI cars specifying 0W-16. They better not be big fuel dilluters.

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Originally Posted by Railrust
I often think of this myself...am I just part of a CAFE regulation scheme by the manufacturer to get my vehicle any advantage for a slight uptick in fuel economy, while not doing what is best for my engine because the manufacturer won't be responsible when it's out of warranty.


Yep, pretty much. But most street cars are not driven very hard, which helps them last with thinner oil.

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The evidence would suggest no


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Originally Posted by ZeeOSix
How about the new DI cars specifying 0W-16. They better not be big fuel dilluters.

Yep.

Re: Is fuel dilution taken into account when they recommend xw-20? [Re: Whammo] #5217649 09/20/19 07:29 AM
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My 2010 5.3L was 6 quarts of 5w30
My 2018 5.3L is 8 quarts of 0w20
Several other mechanical changes

Re: Is fuel dilution taken into account when they recommend xw-20? [Re: Whammo] #5217652 09/20/19 07:31 AM
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Evidence suggests that some fuel dilution is not an issue so I imagine yes they took that into consideration.


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