Originally Posted by PWMDMD
Originally Posted by honeeagle
Originally Posted by atikovi
Remembering that most people in the old days didn't expect cars from the 60's and even 70's to make it to 100,000 miles, and that now, most 10 and even 20 year old cars can make it to 200,000 miles without major issues, would tell you if they suck.
This ^^^^
how old are you? not being disrespectful but your post revels a lack of perspective .
Cars used to be crap and I remember before we had japanese imports all we got were european.The import wave made the domestics sit up and pay attention, took awhile but they are all the same now (statisicly) you have to drill down into the .000% to find a 'stinker'.
The anomaly will be breathlessly reported endlessly and repeated endlessly on the internet.
I remember the days before the web when magazines were the only way and they were only available 12 times a ..............year.
think about it
No disrespect taken. Part of gaining perspective is discussing issues with others - the entire purpose of my post. I was not a car owner in the 60's, 70's or 80's....sounds like a dark time for cars.
I had to comment.
1982 Chevrolet Malibu Classic, bought new.
Engine computer and A/C failed, from the beginning.
The first power steering pump went out at 33k. This was one of three pumps that had to be replaced over the life of the car.
The carburetor had to be rebuilt at 55k.
The transmission, in this 175 foot pound torque monster, had to be rebuilt at 68k.
The engine required 89-91 octane pump gas, likely owed to it's high(er) for the time compression ratio of 8.6 to 1. The car didn't have a tach, but the engine likely redlined around 4800 rpms.
We went through a couple of starters and alternators.
The car died at around 86-88k.
In 1982, the car stickered at $8,500, largely because of a few dealer installed add ons. The base Malibu Classic could be had in the low to mid 7k range.
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People knocked Chrysler's K cars, although they were a lot more reliable than GM's offerings at the time.
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OP: The main issue today, revolves around the need for advanced/sophisticated powertrains. I do remember the time when an engine equipped with port fuel injection was seen as a useless expense, but the use of then advanced technologies was only applied to one aspect of the car. In other words, a cutting edge port injection setup would likely be adapted to an engine with an OHV configuration, cast iron engine/block, married to a three speed automatic. Yet today, every part of a drivetrain is expensive, be it the configuration of the valvetrain; the use of forced induction with a high compression setup; high rpm engines require exotic materials and manufacturing processes/tolerances; a multi speed 6-9 speed automatic; multiple airbags; multiple cameras; braking/steering aids, etc
There is no way to "hide" or "bury" the expense of widespread technological/safety aids.
Originally Posted by honeeagle
Originally Posted by atikovi
Remembering that most people in the old days didn't expect cars from the 60's and even 70's to make it to 100,000 miles, and that now, most 10 and even 20 year old cars can make it to 200,000 miles without major issues, would tell you if they suck.
This ^^^^
how old are you? not being disrespectful but your post revels a lack of perspective .
Cars used to be crap and I remember before we had japanese imports all we got were european.The import wave made the domestics sit up and pay attention, took awhile but they are all the same now (statisicly) you have to drill down into the .000% to find a 'stinker'.
The anomaly will be breathlessly reported endlessly and repeated endlessly on the internet.
I remember the days before the web when magazines were the only way and they were only available 12 times a ..............year.
think about it
No disrespect taken. Part of gaining perspective is discussing issues with others - the entire purpose of my post. I was not a car owner in the 60's, 70's or 80's....sounds like a dark time for cars.
I had to comment.
1982 Chevrolet Malibu Classic, bought new.
Engine computer and A/C failed, from the beginning.
The first power steering pump went out at 33k. This was one of three pumps that had to be replaced over the life of the car.
The carburetor had to be rebuilt at 55k.
The transmission, in this 175 foot pound torque monster, had to be rebuilt at 68k.
The engine required 89-91 octane pump gas, likely owed to it's high(er) for the time compression ratio of 8.6 to 1. The car didn't have a tach, but the engine likely redlined around 4800 rpms.
We went through a couple of starters and alternators.
The car died at around 86-88k.
In 1982, the car stickered at $8,500, largely because of a few dealer installed add ons. The base Malibu Classic could be had in the low to mid 7k range.
***
People knocked Chrysler's K cars, although they were a lot more reliable than GM's offerings at the time.
***
OP: The main issue today, revolves around the need for advanced/sophisticated powertrains. I do remember the time when an engine equipped with port fuel injection was seen as a useless expense, but the use of then advanced technologies was only applied to one aspect of the car. In other words, a cutting edge port injection setup would likely be adapted to an engine with an OHV configuration, cast iron engine/block, married to a three speed automatic. Yet today, every part of a drivetrain is expensive, be it the configuration of the valvetrain; the use of forced induction with a high compression setup; high rpm engines require exotic materials and manufacturing processes/tolerances; a multi speed 6-9 speed automatic; multiple airbags; multiple cameras; braking/steering aids, etc
There is no way to "hide" or "bury" the expense of widespread technological/safety aids.
