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All aftermarket drums and shoes = junk? #5215225 09/17/19 12:38 PM
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I've replaced the front brakes on a co-worker's 07 Matrix with all Centric parts but I have a suspicion it also needs rears. The rear brakes on these are drums, I was afraid of pulling the drums for a look-see in case things were rusted or seized up. And of course Japanese drums are a pain to do.

Me and The Critic had a chat about how bad aftermarket drums are for Japanese cars. I guess it's a crapshoot? My co-worker won't spring for OEM Toyota, so I was thinking one of the better aftermarket options and Raybestos or Centric shoes, since most of the stuff is coming in from China. If the OEM drums can be salvaged, I might just slap on OEM shoes and call it a day. Thoughts?

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I used autozone brake drums and shoes on my ford ranger at least 10 years ago and they are fine. I know its not a japanese vehicle but that is my experience with cheap chinese brake parts.


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Re: All aftermarket drums and shoes = junk? [Re: nthach] #5215239 09/17/19 12:51 PM
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Yes they are a PITA. A Lisle 45100 brake spring tool will make the spring job easier at least.

Can't really help with the drums since I just slapped new shoes on.

Stay away from Wagner Z brake shoes. Brake pins cock eyed. Brake lining at the minimum thickness they can get by with. O'Reilly's house brand, BrakeBest Select, are way better than the Wagner Z junk.


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Re: All aftermarket drums and shoes = junk? [Re: nthach] #5215249 09/17/19 01:06 PM
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I know miles don't mean much when it comes to brakes, but I have 285k miles on my '04 Vibe, and it still has the factory rear brake shoes. My drums come off easily, so I check them about once a year.

I also don't race to red lights, like most drivers seem to do, smile

Re: All aftermarket drums and shoes = junk? [Re: nthach] #5215251 09/17/19 01:09 PM
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Not all of them are junk, but a lot of them are. Seems to be no matter the brand or application, you get some that are perfect and some that aren't even close to being right.


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Re: All aftermarket drums and shoes = junk? [Re: nthach] #5215265 09/17/19 01:41 PM
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many are chinese, some ok others not so much. if you want better you gotta pay more.

Re: All aftermarket drums and shoes = junk? [Re: nthach] #5215271 09/17/19 01:47 PM
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The biggest issue I've had is the hardware kits that have parts which are not completely right and don't fit. I had a huge issue with the auto adjusters on my Jeep backing off because the cable was 1/8'' too long. And the most recent brake job I did on it, I had to file down part of the shoe so it would fit on the anchor on the top.


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Re: All aftermarket drums and shoes = junk? [Re: nthach] #5215275 09/17/19 01:54 PM
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My take on it... poor brake service causes many of the complaints that result in hardware getting labelled "junk". Just because disc brakes are easy to do, doesn't mean all those lube and runout sections in the FSM can be ignored... but they usually are.


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Re: All aftermarket drums and shoes = junk? [Re: nthach] #5215279 09/17/19 01:59 PM
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Oem shoes & cut the drums

Re: All aftermarket drums and shoes = junk? [Re: nthach] #5215301 09/17/19 02:30 PM
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You can probably get MK Kashiyama shoes on eBay. They are made in Japan smile

Another possibility is converting to rear discs (the 03-06 XRS had rear discs)

MK shoes, Advics wheel cylinders from Rock Auto (also made in Japan), and coated drums like Wagner or Powerstop

I HATE that Akebono and EBC don't offer any aftermarket shoes or drums mad

Just be glad that you're in California, where cars don't rust. If you had to deal with rust they'd be even WORSE!! mad mad mad

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IME, aftermarket drums are either out of round or the surface finish is so rough that the shoes will click.

Machining drums is highly dependent on the condition of the lathe and the skill level of the operator. Most places that offer machining services to DIYers are usually not the highest quality establishments, so...

If the drums are not out of round and the finish is even remotely acceptable, I would install new dealer shoes and consider the job done.


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Re: All aftermarket drums and shoes = junk? [Re: slacktide_bitog] #5215319 09/17/19 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by slacktide_bitog


Just be glad that you're in California, where cars don't rust. If you had to deal with rust they'd be even WORSE!! mad mad mad

That's a big lie. If you live in the coastal parts of Marin/SF/San Mateo/Santa Cruz and around Tahoe, rust is a common sight.

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I have had good results with both disk and drum brakes that were repaired with Centric parts. You do need to buy their premium line of parts not the cheap Centric: they have more than one product line, at different prices.

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I just remembered to check out GM since they sold a rebadged Matrix as the Pontiac Vibe. The GM part number for the drums is 19171767, and I found a listing on eBay. It would be a little over $100 for both drums smile

gmpartsnow has them for $125 for the pair

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Originally Posted by nthach
I've replaced the front brakes on a co-worker's 07 Matrix with all Centric parts but I have a suspicion it also needs rears. The rear brakes on these are drums, I was afraid of pulling the drums for a look-see in case things were rusted or seized up. And of course Japanese drums are a pain to do.

Me and The Critic had a chat about how bad aftermarket drums are for Japanese cars. I guess it's a crapshoot? My co-worker won't spring for OEM Toyota, so I was thinking one of the better aftermarket options and Raybestos or Centric shoes, since most of the stuff is coming in from China. If the OEM drums can be salvaged, I might just slap on OEM shoes and call it a day. Thoughts?


This is the making of a cluster frig right here. cheapskate wont spring for OE, you do the job using some cheap crap and he goes postal on you because its not right.
I would tell him to go to a shop and forget it. I guarantee they wont play these stupid games with him and you shouldn't either.


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