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Re: So bad the CDC is involved -- [Re: atikovi] #5210512 09/11/19 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by atikovi
Originally Posted by Rand
Big tobacco wants their $$$.


No different from the alcohol companies.


True ^^^^^^

And by the way...

Instead of "Big tobacco".... We will have "Big Marijuana" being hoisted on people....

And people think this is so great... Like inhaling rainbows.... Hilarious actually.

And yeah guess what??
Ask any police officer who pays attention to circumstances.... Any one who does hard drugs... almost always, always started with smoking marijuana...

Yes. That is a fact.... It is a gateway drug...

Just like people who blame "big pharma" for the current street heroin problem... They see that has a gateway drug that eventually lead people to the unregulated street drugs.... Yet these same World Champions are all discombobulated when one states the same thing about marijuana... Wow... What a bunch of irony there LOL

Truth both can be a gateway... And that is a fact...

Another fun fact today on my birthday...

All street ods and deaths on non regulated drugs are counted in the opioid crisis...

I have a real problem with that... Because good bad or indifferent that street stuff is obviously NOT regulated. It could be literally 1,000 mg/ml... Or it could just be 4mg/ml... In terms of strength... Who knows??? Those numbers are not how many people pass away from actual regulated drugs... Take out the street drugs ods... And that number is way, way, way lower... A ton lower. But.... People with a agenda want to stack the deck... And say it's a gateway yet willfully deny the same is true with their drug of choice...


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Re: So bad the CDC is involved -- [Re: JLTD] #5210524 09/11/19 09:50 PM
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Big Tobacco owns or is heavily invested into most of the companies that make the mainstream vaporizers found in the tobacco section of gas stations, etc. The nicotine liquids are made from tobacco.

Re: So bad the CDC is involved -- [Re: JLTD] #5210558 09/11/19 10:39 PM
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Vaping hits home with me because it's prevalent with middle schoolers into high school. My kids don't but it happens around them.

Re: So bad the CDC is involved -- [Re: bbhero] #5210566 09/11/19 10:59 PM
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I also would say that I do not believe that we should go after people really hard who take/use marijuana... Not at all. And I certainly believe it can be very helpful in a medical way to people in a number of circumstances.

The big dealers and growers who do that illegally should be gone after harshly. Those are not good apples in the barrel.


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Re: So bad the CDC is involved -- [Re: madRiver] #5210570 09/11/19 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by madRiver
Vaping hits home with me because it's prevalent with middle schoolers into high school. My kids don't but it happens around them.

LOL
yeah, I'm sure that's exactly what's happening.
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Re: So bad the CDC is involved -- [Re: Lolvoguy] #5210579 09/11/19 11:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Lolvoguy
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Vaping hits home with me because it's prevalent with middle schoolers into high school. My kids don't but it happens around them.

LOL
yeah, I'm sure that's exactly what's happening.
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Yep, it's harder for kids to be closet smokers because of the smell on the clothes and body. Vaping doesn't have that strong a smell. I see people vaping in the bathroom in no smoking places and they're so good with the smoke you don't even see it come out.

Re: So bad the CDC is involved -- [Re: atikovi] #5210664 09/12/19 06:16 AM
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Originally Posted by atikovi
5 people "allegedly" die from vaping. How many millions have died from cigarette smoking? If anything, the FDA should ban cigarettes.


Of course you know that people don't die from smoking a cigarette. They die from smoking cigarettes over a period years/decades.

Did you read the story on the teen who's lungs were damaged so much that he now his lung are what you would see in a 70 yr old?


The only immediate danger I've read about vaping is that some users will modify the delivery device which increases the risk it could explode or severely injure the users lungs.

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Re: So bad the CDC is involved -- [Re: bbhero] #5210676 09/12/19 06:33 AM
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Originally Posted by bbhero
Any one who does hard drugs... almost always, always started with smoking marijuana...
Yes. That is a fact.... It is a gateway drug...
Yes and No. Ask any drug addict what they REALLY started with and they will almost all tell you that they started by smoking cigarettes, then they started consuming alcohol, THEN they smoked pot, and THAT is when they came into contact with drug dealers/pushers.
The biggest reason that pot is blamed for being a gateway drug is not because of pot itself, but because of how and where it must be obtained... from a drug dealer/pusher. Most drug pushers don't just sell pot, they also sell the other harder drugs, and it is in their best interest to move a pot buyer up to a more profitable addictive drug (pot is NOT physically addictive like crack, meth, or heroine). THIS is how pot is a gateway drug. If pot is removed from the street level dealers/pushers by legalizing it, most people who smoke it wouldn't ever have to come into contact with pushers and the harder addictive drugs they sell.
It is becoming increasingly clear that the current lung disease controversy is being cause by the victims using illicit counterfeit THC oil vape cartridges purchased from street level dealers. The dealers are cutting the THC oil with other dangerous substances like vitamin E acetate to increase profits, just like the dealers do with cocaine and heroine. https://www.rollingstone.com/cultur...hickener-vitamin-e-acetate-vapes-881896/

Re: So bad the CDC is involved -- [Re: wag123] #5210692 09/12/19 06:52 AM
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Originally Posted by wag123
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Any one who does hard drugs... almost always, always started with smoking marijuana...
Yes. That is a fact.... It is a gateway drug...
Yes and No. Ask any drug addict what they REALLY started with and they will almost all tell you that they started by smoking cigarettes, then they started consuming alcohol, THEN they smoked pot, and THAT is when they came into contact with drug dealers/pushers.


That's kind of like saying alcoholics started with lemonade and soda.

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5 people "allegedly" die from vaping. How many millions have died from cigarette smoking? If anything, the FDA should ban cigarettes.
Have to say, the logic there is sound. However, I'd imagine the tobacco lobby like some other lobbies significantly stronger than the current vape lobby. Just the way it is.

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Any one who does hard drugs... almost always, always started with smoking marijuana...
Yes. That is a fact.... It is a gateway drug...
Yes and No. Ask any drug addict what they REALLY started with and they will almost all tell you that they started by smoking cigarettes, then they started consuming alcohol, THEN they smoked pot, and THAT is when they came into contact with drug dealers/pushers.


That's kind of like saying alcoholics started with lemonade and soda.
I was talking about drugs. Tobacco and alcohol ARE drugs, lemonade and non-caffeinated soda are not. A case can be made for coffee, tea, and caffeinated soda though.

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Originally Posted by wag123
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Originally Posted by bbhero
Any one who does hard drugs... almost always, always started with smoking marijuana...
Yes. That is a fact.... It is a gateway drug...
Yes and No. Ask any drug addict what they REALLY started with and they will almost all tell you that they started by smoking cigarettes, then they started consuming alcohol, THEN they smoked pot, and THAT is when they came into contact with drug dealers/pushers.


That's kind of like saying alcoholics started with lemonade and soda.
I was talking about drugs. Tobacco and alcohol ARE drugs, lemonade and non-caffeinated soda are not. A case can be made for coffee, tea, and caffeinated soda though.


Guess you never heard of a "sugar rush"? LOL

Re: So bad the CDC is involved -- [Re: JLTD] #5210712 09/12/19 07:23 AM
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I have been vaping for close to 10 years the problem is the black market THC carts causing problems not the vape products themselves. My doctor advocated me switching to it years back and from yearly chest x rays my lungs are clear and not hazy from all the previous years i used to smoke.


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For many years the illicit drug industry has cut the potency of their product with any number of substances that were never tested for safety. They don’t care, there is no one with deep pockets to sue and recover damages for the care of the victims. The cost to society is astronomical. This is another reason to just make it legal and tax it so there is a fund to pay for the damage. Eventually most addicts decide to get off the stuff, and you do not want the impurities to have raved their body to where they are a drag on society for decades. This would also give you a chance to control (assuming a government that is not corrupt) highly addictive substances like Fentanyl. Even legalized, you will still have criminals doing distribution of cheaper weaker illegal products. That is going to have to be punished by life in prison at hard labor. That said, I have sympathy for the people damaged by this, with no safe tested alternative.

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As soon as I read years ago that the carrier fluid in E Cigarrette was antifreeze (like from theatrical fog machines)

I knew this was going to be a problem. About six years ago my old friend stopped drinking scotch and took up vaping and got a pneumonia like illness and was in the hospital for a week.

I'll stick to an occasional cigar ( PUNCH London Club )

Regardless, the broken Healthcare industry is killing us.
Over 1/4 million deaths a YEAR in the U.S. from Hospital errors and malpractice ( Johns Hopkins study)

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