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Re: Edge Ti ppm?? [Re: buster] #5210370 09/11/19 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by buster
What lab has the fastest turn around time? I'd like to send off a sample of the latest Edge EP 5w30 oil for a VOA.



Prolly Blackstone. Please obtain KV 40, TAN, all that good stuff. VI calculation. Harmon Index. It's a thing.

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2019 Lexus UX 250h F-Sport
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Re: Edge Ti ppm?? [Re: timeau] #5210514 09/11/19 08:31 PM
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BSLabs is pretty slow. I nearly always get same night results from Lab One. I drop samples off in person, though.


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Re: Edge Ti ppm?? [Re: timeau] #5210517 09/11/19 08:37 PM
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All these UOA's of Edge EP are completely meaningless now.

All oils have been re-formulated to 'TGDI' and Dexos 1 Level 2 specs.

They will have high Mg/low Ca detergent, and will have some Ti in them now.


2010 Kia Soul 2U - 2.0L I-4, auto; 152k miles.
Castrol Edge (black bottle) 5W-30; Fram TG 9688.

2009 Pontiac G5 - 2.2 I-4, auto, 121k miles.
Oil/filter TBD
Re: Edge Ti ppm?? [Re: addyguy] #5210626 09/12/19 02:32 AM
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Originally Posted by addyguy
All these UOA's of Edge EP are completely meaningless now.

All oils have been re-formulated to 'TGDI' and Dexos 1 Level 2 specs.

They will have high Mg/low Ca detergent, and will have some Ti in them now.

In my observations, Ti is the least used of the 3 "common" EP additives... with Boron being 1st followed by Moly. Most use either boron or moly, or a combo of Boron and Moly (moron?😂)... unless you're talking about a specific brand like Kendall or Castrol, which it's not uncommon to find all 3.

Phos and zinc are usually in the 700ppm and 800ppm range respectively.



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Re: Edge Ti ppm?? [Re: addyguy] #5210663 09/12/19 05:14 AM
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Originally Posted by addyguy
All these UOA's of Edge EP are completely meaningless now.

All oils have been re-formulated to 'TGDI' and Dexos 1 Level 2 specs.

They will have high Mg/low Ca detergent, and will have some Ti in them now.


Not all have Ti. 3 that I know of and the Ti Castrol uses is in-house. It’s different. It’s been awhile since I’ve seen a baseline for EDGE EP which is why I was curious.


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Re: Edge Ti ppm?? [Re: bulwnkl] #5216704 09/19/19 04:30 AM
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Originally Posted by bulwnkl
BSLabs is pretty slow. I nearly always get same night results from Lab One. I drop samples off in person, though.


Tell me about it! I mailed a sample on 09-02-19 and haven't heard anything yet from BS......


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Re: Castrol Edge Extended Performance 5W30 [Re: timeau] #5217338 09/19/19 05:48 PM
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Is this the new SN+ soon to be D1/G2 rated EDGE EP rated to 20K miles now ? Add pack looks a bit pedestrian ... In mixed driving I would run a 10K mile OCI .


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'10 Hyundai Elantra 2.0L 5W30 (50%) / 5W20 (50%) QSUD / Fram Ultra #9688
'07 Kia Sedona 3.8L 5W30 Castrol EP / Fram Ultra #9999
Re: Castrol Edge Extended Performance 5W30 [Re: bulwnkl] #5220381 09/23/19 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by bulwnkl
BSLabs is pretty slow. I nearly always get same night results from Lab One. I drop samples off in person, though.


I've only ever seen slow results at Blackstone when someone is using the free mailing. Like your results with Lab One, I have always received same-day results from Blackstone (I drop off tonight after business hours in the drop box, when I get home from work tomorrow the results are in my email waiting for me to digest). TestOil, while delivering a great report, has always been two business days after known delivery of the sample to their lab.

Therefore, I posit that any real delays in the majority of oil labs' processing is mainly due to your (or the lab's) choice of mail carrier. The determining factor for me is focus and relativity: Blackstone is a mainly passenger-vehicle driven customer base and therefore has oodles and oodles of data to paint a perspective picture for your vehicle and oil choices and their suitability; nearly all other oil labs present your data "in a vacuum" in that they only look at your sample vs. its virgin data, and do not trend based on vehicle, engine, etc etc... and therefore leave more of the interpretation to you.

I do agree that Blackstone could really corner the market by streamlining their process and reducing the additional cost of some of the tests; when Wix/NAPA can provide 90% of the same data for 33% of the cost, it makes one wonder why there is such a premium. In other words, if you can interpret your own UOA, there is little to dissuade you from using a $9-11 test from Wix/NAPA with TBN vs. a $38 test from Blackstone or the nearly $50 test from TestOil, with most other oil labs falling somewhere in between the Wix/NAPA and Blackstone costs and essentially the same sample data.

However, since Blackstone reports universal averages right with your results AND is very willing to share the anonymous data for your vehicle that goes into their database, obviously part of their costs are associated with a higher level of personalized attention. But IMHO, if you're not exceeding your OLM/OM recommended OCI by at least 50% (i.e. 15k OCI on a 10k OLM) you're almost assuredly just throwing money away. OP, remember that a VOA only serves as a reference point, and the UOA simply tells you if the oil was suitable for your OCI... UOAs are not designed to or capable of determining "what oil is best for my engine".


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Re: Castrol Edge Extended Performance 5W30 [Re: timeau] #5220436 09/23/19 11:35 AM
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It appears to me that BSL’s model is about making people feel good with a few lines of prose. That prose frequently is well off target, so in my view it has no technical merit.

I expect that if I were running the lab and my target market was consumers I’d also charge at least what they do, though, simply because the consumer market is a PITA as compared with the industrial market, and a huge pile of one-at-a-time samples onto which I have to have someone throw some stroking prose is simply more expensive than running the tests and sending the reports 10 or more at a time.


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