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Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy 0w30 - alternative? #5205604 09/05/19 06:01 PM
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I used to use this oil in the winter (and Esso xd-3 0w30 before that) as I often experience a week of -30C/-22F mornings and I can't always plug in a block heater.
I'm noticing though that it doesn't seem to exist anywhere this year.

What would be a good 30 weight full synthetic alternative for frigid morning starts?

Thanks

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Re: Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy 0w30 - alternative? [Re: DizzyEdge] #5205606 09/05/19 06:03 PM
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It's at Canadian Tire usually??


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Re: Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy 0w30 - alternative? [Re: OVERKILL] #5205609 09/05/19 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by OVERKILL
It's at Canadian Tire usually??


Yeah that's where I used to get it, but the only weight they have on their website for that line is a weird 0w16 which is also out of stock in all stores.

Re: Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy 0w30 - alternative? [Re: DizzyEdge] #5205619 09/05/19 06:21 PM
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Maybe ask if they can bring it in from another store? We have a ton if it locally.


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Re: Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy 0w30 - alternative? [Re: DizzyEdge] #5205637 09/05/19 06:49 PM
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Amsoil make a fantastic 0w-30...and I hear in Canada it's less expensive than M1.


I use the overseas manual to choose my viscosity.

Using AMSOIL

Hers: 2008 Jeep Liberty 154k, SS 5w30/Amsoil

His: 2015 4Runner 60k, SS 5w20/Amsoil

Re: Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy 0w30 - alternative? [Re: JLTD] #5205762 09/05/19 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by JLTD
Amsoil make a fantastic 0w-30...and I hear in Canada it's less expensive than M1.


Naw, it's not cheaper when you can get the big jugs at CT on sale for just over $30.00. Regular price would put them pretty close.


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Re: Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy 0w30 - alternative? [Re: DizzyEdge] #5205781 09/05/19 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by DizzyEdge
I used to use this oil in the winter (and Esso xd-3 0w30 before that) as I often experience a week of -30C/-22F mornings and I can't always plug in a block heater.
I'm noticing though that it doesn't seem to exist anywhere this year.

What would be a good 30 weight full synthetic alternative for frigid morning starts?

Thanks


Walmart has it still for 22.98USD

Yes they still make it

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Re: Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy 0w30 - alternative? [Re: DizzyEdge] #5205966 09/06/19 07:09 AM
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All 5W30s have to meet a CCS (cold cranking) spec of 6600 cP at -30C, but there can be a lot of variability in test results at that temp.
QSUD beats the spec by a handy margin at 3800 cP and my memory is that M1 vanilla is close to that at 4000 cP. I think PP 5W30 is just a bit higher than that, maybe 4400cP?
On the other hand, Valvoline only tells us that AFS 5W30 is less than 6000 cP at -30C and I believe Castrol Edge is similar in just beating the spec.

Since I ski in the Whites quite often and we can see overnight temps down towards -30F (-34C), if I'm not running a 0W30 I prefer to pick a 5W30 with better results in the CCS test. Probably not overly meaningful, but I like to feel I have a little extra edge just in case of really cold temps.
I actually have a jug of 0W30 AFE ready to go for this winter!


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Re: Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy 0w30 - alternative? [Re: DizzyEdge] #5205977 09/06/19 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by DizzyEdge
I (and Esso xd-3 0w30 before that)


I loved that oil. I know it isnt the be all and end all but the best UOAs I got on a particular vehicle was with this oil.

(I think Mobil Delvac Elite 222 0W-30 is the same but I have never bought it)

Re: Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy 0w30 - alternative? [Re: DizzyEdge] #5206079 09/06/19 09:21 AM
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Where it gets that cold Havoline 0w-20 box oil or QSUD 0w-20 make a lot of sense and they are cheaper.

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Re: Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy 0w30 - alternative? [Re: DizzyEdge] #5206468 09/06/19 05:20 PM
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Crawford Notch sometime around 1995 I had an 89 Chevy Blazer. Hiked 1/2up Jackson set up camp and then went to summit. Returned and was frozen. Lit stove had tea and saw temp gauge reading high negative 20's. I was solo camping and just packed up like a banshee (just strapped tent to my bag no folfind) and made it to the Blazer.

Never heard a car crank like that ever. Credit to the Sears battery at the time. That was cheap dinosaur oil then. I'd think with today's oils your fine if you let it warm up. I'd worry about your battery more.


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Re: Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy 0w30 - alternative? [Re: DizzyEdge] #5206479 09/06/19 05:25 PM
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Dupe.

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Re: Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy 0w30 - alternative? [Re: BISCUT] #5208226 09/09/19 06:29 AM
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Originally Posted by BISCUT
Crawford Notch sometime around 1995 I had an 89 Chevy Blazer. Hiked 1/2up Jackson set up camp and then went to summit. Returned and was frozen. Lit stove had tea and saw temp gauge reading high negative 20's. I was solo camping and just packed up like a banshee (just strapped tent to my bag no folfind) and made it to the Blazer.
Never heard a car crank like that ever. Credit to the Sears battery at the time. That was cheap dinosaur oil then. I'd think with today's oils your fine if you let it warm up. I'd worry about your battery more.

Yeah, you should have bought that battery a beer!

Or maybe a shot of sulfuric acid... ;^)

Great story!


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Re: Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy 0w30 - alternative? [Re: BISCUT] #5208590 09/09/19 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by BISCUT
Crawford Notch sometime around 1995 I had an 89 Chevy Blazer. Hiked 1/2up Jackson set up camp and then went to summit. Returned and was frozen. Lit stove had tea and saw temp gauge reading high negative 20's. I was solo camping and just packed up like a banshee (just strapped tent to my bag no folfind) and made it to the Blazer.

Never heard a car crank like that ever. Credit to the Sears battery at the time. That was cheap dinosaur oil then. I'd think with today's oils your fine if you let it warm up. I'd worry about your battery more.


IIRC, Sears batteries are top quality. For what it's worth I think people overthink batteries. I live in a place where negative 20s are a regular occurrence over the winter, I park outside and I've never really had problems with batteries.


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Re: Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy 0w30 - alternative? [Re: littlehulkster] #5208696 09/09/19 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by littlehulkster
Originally Posted by BISCUT
Crawford Notch sometime around 1995 I had an 89 Chevy Blazer. Hiked 1/2up Jackson set up camp and then went to summit. Returned and was frozen. Lit stove had tea and saw temp gauge reading high negative 20's. I was solo camping and just packed up like a banshee (just strapped tent to my bag no folfind) and made it to the Blazer.

Never heard a car crank like that ever. Credit to the Sears battery at the time. That was cheap dinosaur oil then. I'd think with today's oils your fine if you let it warm up. I'd worry about your battery more.


IIRC, Sears batteries are top quality. For what it's worth I think people overthink batteries. I live in a place where negative 20s are a regular occurrence over the winter, I park outside and I've never really had problems with batteries.


Problem with that is all their local stores have closed. I've had a lot of Die Hard batteries over the years and they all outlasted their warranty.


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In: Havoline Pro DS 10w-30 Purolator PureOne 3-14-19 129693
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