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Replacement auto glass survey about quality #5202728 09/02/19 10:52 AM
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From July/August 2018 issue of AGRR magazine:

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(source: https://mydigitalpublication.com/publication/?i=515056#{%22issue_id%22:515056,%22page%22:34})


My guess: The automakers are spec'ing thinner glass on newer vehicles to save weight. Thinner glass cracks easier. OE glass plants can't meet demand, market gets flooded with cheap quality glass (Xinyi/XYG DOT 563 junk).


You can even check AliBaba and see how cheap windshields can be had nowadays. Link

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Hmmmm, my summary of that....

Glass quality appears to be going down - Yes (majority answer)
Glass prices are lower - Yes (majority answer)
You use these cheaper options more - Yes (majority answer).

Suppliers offer lower quality glass at cheaper prices and the demand for them increases.

Re: Replacement auto glass survey about quality [Re: Reddy45] #5202772 09/02/19 11:58 AM
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As long as I have the option to get the better glass, I'm glad lower priced glass is available.


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Re: Replacement auto glass survey about quality [Re: Reddy45] #5202784 09/02/19 12:15 PM
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Another example of people who know "the price of everything and the value of nothing" (Oscar Wilde)

The cheap ones if not made in China are locally made, but as someone said with thinner glass and I might add with optical distortion, both are dangerous to oneself and others.

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Originally Posted by CBR.worm
As long as I have the option to get the better glass, I'm glad lower priced glass is available.



This is what they said about the independent shops when Walmart first came to town. Sooner than later you won't have a choice.

Re: Replacement auto glass survey about quality [Re: Reddy45] #5202822 09/02/19 01:37 PM
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I just had the windshield replaced in my 2002 Camaro that I'm picky about. Had a body shop that works on $100k+ classics make a recommendation on a glass installer.
Long time independent shop. Owner came out to help his worker. I had indicated to him I was willing to pay for top glass. Didn't want Chinese glass.
He related to me that the top U.S. glass companies have been bought out by Chinese industrialists (or one industrialist, don't remember). There have apparently been culture shocks on both sides. I'm not sure if quality has been impacted, but I have no doubt it will be.
So I think I ended up with U.S. made Chinese glass. That statement about not having a choice may be true sooner than later.

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Originally Posted by ArrestMeRedZ
He related to me that the top U.S. glass companies have been bought out by Chinese industrialists (or one industrialist, don't remember). There have apparently been culture shocks on both sides. I'm not sure if quality has been impacted, but I have no doubt it will be.
So I think I ended up with U.S. made Chinese glass. That statement about not having a choice may be true sooner than later.

Fuyao ? They have a plant here (SW Ohio). They buy glass sheets from American suppliers and "form" these into finished products. They make OEM glass for Honda, Ford, BMW, etc, etc and also make aftermarket glass. The processes, raw materials, etc are the same whether it's OEM or aftermarket....

Re: Replacement auto glass survey about quality [Re: ArrestMeRedZ] #5202833 09/02/19 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by ArrestMeRedZ
I just had the windshield replaced in my 2002 Camaro that I'm picky about. Had a body shop that works on $100k+ classics make a recommendation on a glass installer.
Long time independent shop. Owner came out to help his worker. I had indicated to him I was willing to pay for top glass. Didn't want Chinese glass.
He related to me that the top U.S. glass companies have been bought out by Chinese industrialists (or one industrialist, don't remember). There have apparently been culture shocks on both sides. I'm not sure if quality has been impacted, but I have no doubt it will be.
So I think I ended up with U.S. made Chinese glass. That statement about not having a choice may be true sooner than later.



Nowadays the brand names etched into the glass don't really mean much.

PPG is no longer in the business. They were renamed to PGW and I believe are currently owned by LKQ Corp. If you buy any PGW windshields now, they all seem to have a DOT563 mfr code which is XYG based out of China.

Pilkington was bought by Nippon Sheet Glass, which is potentially OK since NSG still makes decent quality glass in their Japanese plants.

Fuyao is the one you're probably talking about where the Chinese billionaire owner opened up a plant in Ohio to produce glass here. Some of their stuff is OK, some of it is meh. I detailed a Honda Civic recently that had an OEM Honda windshield made by Fuyao and it was flawless. The Fuyao windshield on my vehicle has terrible distortion at the edges.


Frankly it seems like Ford and Carlex are the only ones not impacted yet. I've started looking to see which cars in the grocery parking lot have replacement glass and Fords rarely seem to. My previous vehicle, an F150, managed to keep the OEM windshield for 13 years until I sold it. Tons of 'speckling' from road debris but no chips or cracks.

Similarly, a friend of mine has a Nissan Titan which also has Carlex glass and it has been through dozens of hail storms and no cracks or bullseyes.

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Originally Posted by Reddy45
My guess: The automakers are spec'ing thinner glass on newer vehicles to save weight. Thinner glass cracks easier. OE glass plants can't meet demand, market gets flooded with cheap quality glass (Xinyi/XYG DOT 563 junk).

Originally Posted by Pelican
The cheap ones if not made in China are locally made, but as someone said with thinner glass and I might add with optical distortion, both are dangerous to oneself and others.
But....but.....but China makes quality stuff like IPhones. Evil Western companies are the ones who force them to make garbage, they are to blame!


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Originally Posted by maxdustington
Originally Posted by Reddy45
My guess: The automakers are spec'ing thinner glass on newer vehicles to save weight. Thinner glass cracks easier. OE glass plants can't meet demand, market gets flooded with cheap quality glass (Xinyi/XYG DOT 563 junk).

Originally Posted by Pelican
The cheap ones if not made in China are locally made, but as someone said with thinner glass and I might add with optical distortion, both are dangerous to oneself and others.
But....but.....but China makes quality stuff like IPhones. Evil Western companies are the ones who force them to make garbage, they are to blame!


I have no idea what your angle is but you aren't adding to the discussion.

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I go to Safelite. Isn't theirs OEM quality?

They just filled a very tiny chip. Not sure if it would every expand, but why chance it since its insured and no deductible for glass.

At first I thought it was a spec of dirt.

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Originally Posted by Donald
I go to Safelite. Isn't theirs OEM quality?

They just filled a very tiny chip. Not sure if it would every expand, but why chance it since its insured and no deductible for glass.

At first I thought it was a spec of dirt.


I have *heard* that Safelite is low quality $%^&, but *I* have no first-hand experience.

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Originally Posted by Ed_Flecko
Originally Posted by Donald
I go to Safelite. Isn't theirs OEM quality?

They just filled a very tiny chip. Not sure if it would every expand, but why chance it since its insured and no deductible for glass.

At first I thought it was a spec of dirt.


I have *heard* that Safelite is low quality $%^&, but *I* have no first-hand experience.

Ed


I have plenty of first-hand experience. Every time a customer comes to me with their roof and/or a-pillars rotted out, I ask “Which Safelite did your windshield?”. (So far, it has indeed been Safelite every. single. time.)

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Where do we go to get quality replacement windshields?


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The Fuyao replacement windshield in the '14 RAV4 is no way OEM quality and neither was the Pilkington windshield put in the now gone '16 Silverado. After being assured by 2 different glass shops of OEM quality and getting distorted garbage I'll pay whatever extra is necessary for genuine mfg glass from now on. Some people just don't see distortion, I do.

Gebo - you pony up for a Lexus brand windshield.



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