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Re: Replacement auto glass survey about quality [Re: Reddy45] #5203027 09/02/19 06:12 PM
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Safelite stopped making their own glass a few years ago, and the quality has gone down from THAT? crzy

Now, they mostly use Fuyao (DOT459) and Xinyi (DOT563). Fuyao is good, Xinyi is not.

The glass Fuyao makes for the 4th gen Maxima is identical to the original glass, which was made by PPG when they were still good.

The glass Fuyao makes for the Mk1 Focus is also good quality, but the tint band is kind of weird and short. It was installed by Safelite on site, not mobile.

Fuyao is the OE glass supplier to the MD Elantra. Again, no problems

The glass Xinyi makes for the 4th gen Camaro/Firebird is awful! It scratches too easily, and get stressed out just by the wipers!

Re: Replacement auto glass survey about quality [Re: AZjeff] #5203048 09/02/19 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by AZjeff
The Fuyao replacement windshield in the '14 RAV4 is no way OEM quality and neither was the Pilkington windshield put in the now gone '16 Silverado. After being assured by 2 different glass shops of OEM quality and getting distorted garbage I'll pay whatever extra is necessary for genuine mfg glass from now on. Some people just don't see distortion, I do.

Gebo - you pony up for a Lexus brand windshield.


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Re: Replacement auto glass survey about quality [Re: AZjeff] #5203093 09/02/19 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by AZjeff
The Fuyao replacement windshield in the '14 RAV4 is no way OEM quality and neither was the Pilkington windshield put in the now gone '16 Silverado. After being assured by 2 different glass shops of OEM quality and getting distorted garbage I'll pay whatever extra is necessary for genuine mfg glass from now on. Some people just don't see distortion, I do.

Gebo - you pony up for a Lexus brand windshield.



I have come to the same conclusion Jeff. When my current Fuyao glass gets worn or cracks, I'm going to pony up for OEM glass.

Re: Replacement auto glass survey about quality [Re: Reddy45] #5203597 09/03/19 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Reddy45

PPG is no longer in the business. They were renamed to PGW and I believe are currently owned by LKQ Corp. If you buy any PGW windshields now, they all seem to have a DOT563 mfr code which is XYG based out of China.

Pilkington was bought by Nippon Sheet Glass, which is potentially OK since NSG still makes decent quality glass in their Japanese plants.

Fuyao is the one you're probably talking about where the Chinese billionaire owner opened up a plant in Ohio to produce glass here. Some of their stuff is OK, some of it is meh. I detailed a Honda Civic recently that had an OEM Honda windshield made by Fuyao and it was flawless. The Fuyao windshield on my vehicle has terrible distortion at the edges.





Fuyao/FYG's Ohio plant was the former GM Moraine plant. FYG has been winning OEM contracts left and right from GM, Hyundai, Honda, Subaru and VW. Even BMW and Mercedes are using FYG glass. I think I've seen Toyota-marked FYG glass on a new Avalon, but Toyota is usually very loyal to Asahi Glass. The FYG on my parent's car is OK, some distortion at the edges. The OE rain-sensing wipers don't work right, as they still wipe with a bone dry windshield. I blame the Safelite hack for trying to reuse the OEM rain sensor without installing a new gel pad.

PGW's OEM arm is now part of Vitro who also bought out the remainder of PPG's glass business. LKQ and Vitro worked out of a deal that the former buys more glass from the latter in order to use their trademark. Vitro is OEM on Mexican GM/Ford and Nissans.

Safelite has improved the quality of their installs like banning long knives and using Sika 30-minute drive-away time adhesive but they still cut a few corners here and there. But, it must be a fluke that the last two times I've called Safelite for glass, Pilkington windshields were installed? A Safelite tech said XYG/Benson is junk. I was on a bus that used XYG glass for its windows - you can see the visual distortion on what should be a perfectly flat pane of glass. I've been in cars with AutoTemp or XYG side windows. If the tint(the OEM-style UV-reducing or privacy green/blue/gray tint) doesn't match, it's the distortions that you can see.

Re: Replacement auto glass survey about quality [Re: Reddy45] #5204258 09/04/19 06:56 AM
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Be willing to bet that Fuyao OEM glass has higher quality standards than Fuyao aftermarket glass.


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Re: Replacement auto glass survey about quality [Re: Reddy45] #5207532 09/08/19 07:36 AM
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Wife had just bought a new Accord and after a few weeks windshield cracked in the corner. We hadn't hit anything, so back to the dealership I go. I am told that something must have hit the trim around the edge of the windshield. Stupid me says OK and called up a company that used Pilkington glass. Guy comes out removes OEM windshield and tells me you have a defective windshield from the factory, happens sometimes. They install new one, everything looks good until I ride in the back seat, got distortion right in the middle of the new shield, about baseball size. All glass is Chinese glass now and no way is it as good as the old USA stuff. JMHO

Re: Replacement auto glass survey about quality [Re: AZjeff] #5207614 09/08/19 10:17 AM
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Re: Replacement auto glass survey about quality [Re: maxdustington] #5207626 09/08/19 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by maxdustington
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My guess: The automakers are spec'ing thinner glass on newer vehicles to save weight. Thinner glass cracks easier. OE glass plants can't meet demand, market gets flooded with cheap quality glass (Xinyi/XYG DOT 563 junk).

Originally Posted by Pelican
The cheap ones if not made in China are locally made, but as someone said with thinner glass and I might add with optical distortion, both are dangerous to oneself and others.
But....but.....but China makes quality stuff like IPhones. Evil Western companies are the ones who force them to make garbage, they are to blame!

iphones suck and are of the poorest quality
thing you can buy is something made by apple (see power cables/batteries that catch fire yes they sweep it under the rug..

they just recalled almost 1/2 million macbooks for battery fires I guess they have not learned their less yet

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Re: Replacement auto glass survey about quality [Re: Reddy45] #5207633 09/08/19 10:55 AM
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They should check for distortion before installing the windshield but that might be asking too much.

What do iPhones have to do with this discussion?

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Re: Replacement auto glass survey about quality [Re: Ed_Flecko] #5207701 09/08/19 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Ed_Flecko
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I go to Safelite. Isn't theirs OEM quality?

They just filled a very tiny chip. Not sure if it would every expand, but why chance it since its insured and no deductible for glass.

At first I thought it was a spec of dirt.


I have *heard* that Safelite is low quality $%^&, but *I* have no first-hand experience.

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The tint shop I went to used safelite to replace my rear windshield when they ripped off the copper lines. There's VERY noticeable distortion when you just move your head vertically.

Re: Replacement auto glass survey about quality [Re: Ed_Flecko] #5208438 09/09/19 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Ed_Flecko
Originally Posted by Donald
I go to Safelite. Isn't theirs OEM quality?

They just filled a very tiny chip. Not sure if it would every expand, but why chance it since its insured and no deductible for glass.

At first I thought it was a spec of dirt.


I have *heard* that Safelite is low quality $%^&, but *I* have no first-hand experience.

Ed

Safelite's in-house glass is junk. My parents had one installed and it was thin and had little UV protection leading to a prematurely faded interior. Safelite now uses 3rd party glass but the quality has been hit or miss. All the Pilkingtons I've had them install seem to be OK. Some edge distortion by the A-pillars but forward vision is fine.

Re: Replacement auto glass survey about quality [Re: Reddy45] #5208455 09/09/19 12:06 PM
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safelite is a joke and plus the installs are poorly done have not seen one done right yet.


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Re: Replacement auto glass survey about quality [Re: AZjeff] #5208460 09/09/19 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by AZjeff
Be willing to bet that Fuyao OEM glass has higher quality standards than Fuyao aftermarket glass.


+1 Genuine only.


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Re: Replacement auto glass survey about quality [Re: jakewells] #5208498 09/09/19 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by jakewells
safelite is a joke and plus the installs are poorly done have not seen one done right yet.

they've done a few things like banning long knives to take out glass to help reduce damage to trim and pinchwelds but they still cut corners by not pulling cowls. I've seen them stock more OEM windshields and using a Bosch ADAS calibration tool lately. I had go to there a month ago and I've seen a few new Honda and Subaru OEM windshields on their racks.

I have a funny suspicion my windshield wasn't installed properly since the cowl wasn't pulled but they used a wire and pulley tool to cut out the old glass. They're also using Sika's Sikatack Mach 30 urethane.

While Safelite can be hit or miss, I'd still trust them than some guy working out of a truck installing cheap glass with Chinese urethane. I shoulda had All Star Glass replace my windshield or a house visit from Safelite instead. Insurance companies are in bed with Safelite for claims processing or replacements.

This guy's blog is a pretty interesting read: https://trenches.agrrmag.com/tag/agrr/

Re: Replacement auto glass survey about quality [Re: maxdustington] #5208577 09/09/19 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by maxdustington
Originally Posted by Reddy45
My guess: The automakers are spec'ing thinner glass on newer vehicles to save weight. Thinner glass cracks easier. OE glass plants can't meet demand, market gets flooded with cheap quality glass (Xinyi/XYG DOT 563 junk).

Originally Posted by Pelican
The cheap ones if not made in China are locally made, but as someone said with thinner glass and I might add with optical distortion, both are dangerous to oneself and others.
But....but.....but China makes quality stuff like IPhones. Evil Western companies are the ones who force them to make garbage, they are to blame!


The Chinese put people in space.

Do you really think they couldn't build a decent piece of glass?

It's almost like they choose to make cheap glass because cheap glass was a gap in the market that they were well positioned to fill, whereas competing in the premium glass market would not have been worth it for them, for a wide variety of reasons.

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