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Ford going back to Yellow Antifreeze for 2020 #5197587 08/26/19 09:49 PM
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Just noticed this chart. Ford is going to yellow antifreeze: WSS-M97B57-A1 or M97B57-A2. Some of the change was made this year and the changes will be complete Jan 1, 2020. This will be instead of the orange coolant which was first used by Ford in 2011. I guess this is a bit different from the original Gold coolant which was WSS-M97B51-A1 and was a yellow color. laugh

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Re: Ford going back to Yellow Antifreeze for 2020 [Re: Snagglefoot] #5197590 08/26/19 09:57 PM
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This antifreeze color thing is unbelievable! Blur,red,orange pink ..


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Re: Ford going back to Yellow Antifreeze for 2020 [Re: Snagglefoot] #5197609 08/26/19 10:38 PM
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It has been trickling out. We have it in stock. It is not compatible with the previous gold coolant.

What is real fun is playing the ATF game. Type F, Mercon V, Mercon SP, FNR5 fluid, Chain Type CVT, Premium Fluid (3309/T-IV), Mercon LV, DCT fluid, Mercon ULV.

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Re: Ford going back to Yellow Antifreeze for 2020 [Re: bdcardinal] #5197613 08/26/19 10:46 PM
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Originally Posted by bdcardinal


What is real fun is playing the ATF game. Type F, Mercon V, Mercon SP, FNR5 fluid, Chain Type CVT, Premium Fluid (3309/T-IV), Mercon LV, DCT fluid, Mercon ULV.


Seems like a great opportunity for a mix up, and a ruined transmission if the wrong fluid is used. I've seen this happen more than once at a number of places including dealers.

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What is real fun is playing the ATF game. Type F, Mercon V, Mercon SP, FNR5 fluid, Chain Type CVT, Premium Fluid (3309/T-IV), Mercon LV, DCT fluid, Mercon ULV.


Seems like a great opportunity for a mix up, and a ruined transmission if the wrong fluid is used. I've seen this happen more than once at a number of places including dealers.


Yup, fortunately we have charts and access to the FSM to make sure. Always, always, always use the VIN to verify what the vehicle has before handing out fluid. We also do Mazda so we have all of those to carry and keep track of as well.


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Re: Ford going back to Yellow Antifreeze for 2020 [Re: Snagglefoot] #5197617 08/26/19 11:06 PM
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Yellow has this description: COOLANT, PHOSPHATED, ORGANIC ADDITIVE TECHNOLOGY (POAT), CONCENTRATE, FOR PASSENGER CAR AND LIGHT TRUCK


Orange was Dex Cool right?


So Ford went from green (traditional) to gold (hybriat OAT G05) to dark green (???) to orange (Dex) and now yellow.

Took them a while to figure out that the Japanese makers had picked a good coolant all along (Asian Red formula which is POAT or PHOAT).

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Originally Posted by Reddy45
Yellow has this description: COOLANT, PHOSPHATED, ORGANIC ADDITIVE TECHNOLOGY (POAT), CONCENTRATE, FOR PASSENGER CAR AND LIGHT TRUCK


Orange was Dex Cool right?


So Ford went from green (traditional) to gold (hybriat OAT G05) to dark green (???) to orange (Dex) and now yellow.

Took them a while to figure out that the Japanese makers had picked a good coolant all along (Asian Red formula which is POAT or PHOAT).


Yes, orange was basically DexCool. Also not all applications used the dark green coolant, which is the same as Mazda FL-22 but full strength as opposed to the FL-22 only coming 55/45 from Mazda.


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Re: Ford going back to Yellow Antifreeze for 2020 [Re: Chris142] #5197683 08/27/19 05:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Chris142
This antifreeze color thing is unbelievable! Blur,red,orange pink ..


How about the absolute insanity Chrysler pulled with their coolant colors?

Or the fact it can look orange through the reservoir, but remove the cap and actually look at the fluid to find it’s suddenly purple shocked2

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Re: Ford going back to Yellow Antifreeze for 2020 [Re: Snagglefoot] #5197688 08/27/19 05:59 AM
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I learn something new all the time. First time I have seen POAT.


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Re: Ford going back to Yellow Antifreeze for 2020 [Re: Snagglefoot] #5197693 08/27/19 06:14 AM
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I wonder if this will be a 2-Eha or Non 2-Eha formula


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Re: Ford going back to Yellow Antifreeze for 2020 [Re: Snagglefoot] #5197697 08/27/19 06:19 AM
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Imo, Ford has some issues with deciding what coolant they want to use in their vehicles and 'I' wouldn't use them as an example or model for the rest of the industry.

It was thought that thier DexCool (orange) was going to the last change going forward, apparently not. Apparently they've have some issues with heater cores in some thier truck and truck like vehicles. Now they have switched to a "yellow" tinted AF. Which without authoritative information on chemistry means nothing to me. I see the description above which makes it "sound" like it may be similar to current Prestone AF, but I've no seen no authoritative proof. Just some recommendation somewhere that Prestone would/could be ok to use in those type vehicles. And important point here, like all previous FoMoCo Motorcraft recommendation to this point, the newest AF is NOT being back spec'd to older Ford model vehicles. Current Prestone still uses 2eha as an inhibitor.

Considering going forward Ford has decided to go mainly SUV and truck manufacturing, then not surprising to see the new "yellow" tinted AF for those vehicles.

So again, I don't take much from this other than Ford adding yet another layer of confusion to their AF options.

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I use the "Asian spec" windshield washer fluid.

gets the bugs off easier.....................


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Originally Posted by bdcardinal
Always, always, always use the VIN to verify what the vehicle has before handing out fluid. We also do Mazda so we have all of those to carry and keep track of as well.


Still NOT reliable information....

You don't know what the last person/tech who worked on it put in it....


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I agree with Sayjac that this new Ford coolant is probably similar, if not identical to, Prestone with Corguard....
which does have 2-EHA and phosphates.


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Originally Posted by bdcardinal
It has been trickling out. We have it in stock. It is not compatible with the previous gold coolant.

What is real fun is playing the ATF game. Type F, Mercon V, Mercon SP, FNR5 fluid, Chain Type CVT, Premium Fluid (3309/T-IV), Mercon LV, DCT fluid, Mercon ULV.


For those of that drive GM , there is also the Dexron family + Dexcool .


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